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what's the best place for a internet marketer/black hatter to live...

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by izm, May 31, 2008.

  1. izm

    izm Regular Member

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    dont say some tech city cause we aren't nerds

    I guess third world country would be good for a black hatter, but how you gon enjoy your money living in a shack in Syria right?

    black hatters got money, and we like to enjoy it, but we also have to stay focussed, I'm trying to figure this out...
     
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  2. ..Q..

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    If you are a blackhatter who only go against TOS, then I don't think it matters much where you live.

    If you are a blackhatter that do stuff that can land you in jail, then my guess is to live in countries where top torrent sites are hosting their servers.
     
  3. oldenstylehats

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    Speak for yourself ;)

    I've lived and worked all over the US and I honestly feel that what makes a place a good place to live is the people and the community, not the buildings and roads. Find people you enjoy and spend time with them... you'll never go wrong, regardless of the color of your hat.
     
  4. izm

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    Iunno piratebay is in sweden.. which isnt that bad.. and besides I dont think it matters where he physically lives as long as the black hatter knows his business and how to cover his tracks... he just has to "appear" to live there..
     
  5. themagician

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    ...I now live in Thailand.

    I have a huge American-style house, massive garden with swimming pool and Jacuzzi, situated in a working rubber plantation and I have tame elephants at the far end of the plantation which is like having them at the bottom of your garden. It's wicked! I am a two-minute walk to the edge of the Andaman Sea, popular with Scuba divers...Have a brand new, top-of-the-range Toyota HiLux truck 3.0 Litre, all paid for with cash and tons of money in the bank following the sale of my property in Europe.

    My diesel costs less than $1.00/per litre

    I can get a Thai meal for under 30 cents and a beer for 35 cents.

    I am taking a one hour flight to Bangkok next week at a cost one-way of $3.00 and that's scheduled airlines not some contraption held together with string and hope. (Admit it's a special offer).

    I have a dedicated fibre-optic Internet line into my home-office which IS expensive at $250/month...but I need it for business and it's mega-fast with five computers connected. (Malaysia has a better Internet infrastructure and cheaper). Normal DSL is under $30/per month. Still expensive but no restrictions.

    I can purchase almost any pirated software on the planet and perfect quality DVD movies BEFORE they even come to the cinema for under $2.00.

    I can purchase 99% pure gold at weight value, regardless of design and sell again tomorrow for a profit and pure silver is almost as cheap as PVC.

    Been here almost two years and love it, although I still get to go to Vegas once per year for a conference.

    Here I live like a multi-millionaire, Europe and I'd be struggling. (I have never smoked but $12.00 for a packet of cigarettes? Wake up England!!)

    There are two ways to make money and you need both working in harmony.

    1. You must make it.

    2. You must stop or minimise the outgoings.

    Not much point in earning millions if you pay it back out again.

    themagician
     
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  6. izm

    izm Regular Member

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    where's the ebook link?
     
  7. ..Q..

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    I've been to Kanchaburi and Phuket... I simply love Thailand!

    What you said made me think of doing the same and migrating ;)

    Beside Thailand, my friend said the outlying islands in Philippines is better.

    I've been to Bali and it is the top of my list too because the people there are so awesome.

    What you said is so true... the outgoing cash have to be controlled too.

    I've read 4 Hour Work Week and the author also recommended Argentina as a safe and cheap place to live.

     
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    could we get by on this DSL? the $250 for a dedicated line is kind of steep
     
  9. DrJekyll

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    The Philippines is cool [well hot] i have a house on Cebu.

    Problem is the outlying islands dont have the infastructure they need to run business [some islands turn off the electric after a certain time at night as they work on it] And internet generally is not as fast in the outlying towns.

    I love Cebu and would live close to the city. As for doing what you are doing, the goverment is corrupt, they do not have the resources to track down people that are not doing things on a large scale [like producing thousands of illegal movies or something like that] so it has some advantages that you are looking for.

    I lived there for awhile on $600 a month and lived decent.
     
  10. ..Q..

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    Hmmm... would satellite internet be a good solution if you want to live in a remote island?

    I went scuba diving before at Pulau Lang Tengah, off Trengganu Malaysia... the island where our lodging is, is quite remote but their electricity is on 24hrs.

    Maybe we shouldn't choose islands that is too remote... something in between would work? :)
     
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    There is some satelite internet but am not sure how good it is.

    If you are close to a major city its not a problem. Just some of the smaller islands they dont have the best services [where my wife grew up they have not had water for more than 3 years (comes on like 1 time a week) I stayed there for a month, my job was to stand under the rain spout and collect water when it rained] But it is not all like that, Like i said stay closer to a major city like Cebu.

    I was just there in april, and really enjoyed getting up at 5am and taking the 5 minute walk to swim in the warm sea.

    There is a lot of dive shops and i heard Palawan has the best untouched reef in the world.
     
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    Ooooh, Cebu... I was mistakenly thinking something like near manila, I don't want to be near those traffic jams and smog :p

    Ok, yeah... I heard of Palawan too... I bet those rain water collecting makes a good life experience.

     
  13. themagician

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    ...Re: Thailand,

    ...izm - Nice comment-lol! I do tend to waffle on a bit!

    For VOIP, to keep in touch back home for free, wherever that is, or to email and normal Internet usage etc. basic connection is good enough in Thailand. It is what all my friends have.

    I run servers and several computers and need the best and fastest I can get so I pay. For me, it's worth it and can afford it and, as they improve the infrastructure, it gets better and cheaper all the time.

    We are now getting a look-a-like Burj al Arab: www.burj-al-arab.com close to where I live. This will at least double the value of my property almost overnight.

    There is no-one more English than me, but Asia is the future, especially with China and the Japanese work ethic set to take over the U.S economically within the next three years. For any Brits reading: Sadly England my England was given away by the Blair government and you sat by and let it happen. Shame on you!

    themagician
     
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    I had a long post written, but I just have to say one thing.

    I love Thailand. Its my number one choice. If you have money you can buy a beach home on one of the many beautiful islands, if you like the mountains, you can settle up north, if you like the city there is Bangkok which is blow by blow similar to any western city, but with Thai style.

    However, Thailand is a unique country. My advice to you is to take 6 months off, and do a month in six countries. Forget about North America / Europe as there is far too much politics to make a living there, think about South America, Phillipines, Thailand, Malaysia, maybe even Australia at a push...

    But visit them and experience the culture. The number one choice shouldn't be a country that makes it easy to work, but a country that makes it enjoyable to live. As long as your work isn't illegal in that country there WILL be a way to work.

    Ohhhh and TM where are you ? and your fibre - who is it with ? Sounds like you've been in Thailand a while, rubbers a good investment I hear..
     
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    Yeah there is the smog, but Manilla is not much better. and more expensive. You are thinking something like angeles or subic then. I am not very familliar with them. besides big ex military hangout.

    I would like to visit Palawan one of these trips. ive been to Negros,Bohol,Siquijor, layte, Manilla, Cebu. [sp?]





     
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    Manila! Its not exactly cheap but with a decent BH income you shd be nice and happy ;)
     
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    Good sharing about different places for living and doing Internet based business. I feel in Asia, Malaysia, Thailand and India are better places to live. Philippines is not all that safe, especially if you are having loads of money and you are not sharing it with the people around you there. I have heard of cases where some Japanese people who chose to live there were murdered.
     
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    Sikandar looks like you havent been to the Philippines. Its as safe as you can expect a developing country with huge differences between the rich and the poor to be. When you are rich you make sure that you stay safe. There are TONS of filthy rich people here in Manila and noones getting murdered. lol Are you kidding me India is better to live in? I have been there and lived there and its not for me. India is very threatening. My wife doesnt feel safe there (for good reason) and the cities are becoming increasingly violent.
     
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  19. zoux

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    i have a friend living so happy in chile latinamerica
     
  20. DrJekyll

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    I lived there for 6 months, went around by myself, My wife was worried about me but I never felt "in danger" like i have here in the usa.

    There is an execption, I would not go to southern Philippines [southern Mindano], [that is where the missionaries were killed, and why there is a travel advisory to the Philippines]

    I saw that one of our favorite places that served all you can eat pizza and all you can drink beer from 2-6pm everyday for about $2 stopped offering beer in Cebu. Now thats a reason not to go to Cebu anymore lol

    I know some people that were living in Thialand and moved to the Philippines, basically because of more english is spoken in the Philippines. [even still it can be difficult with the language] But it is close to which they prefered to live in. I have not been there so i could not tell you. I know it would be cool to have elephants around.

    Manila is ok, bad traffic, but you have access to more things if you want western living. I went to hard rock cafe there [prices the same as in the usa] so we could experience some of the same things as the usa. bad thing is Northern Philippines is in the Typhoon belt and get hit harder than central.

    If you have a good blackhat income Manila is not so bad. Hire a driver for your vehicle, and your set.

    That is one thing that is nice about Cebu, you can hire maid, driver, gardener all for a few hundred a month [live in]. I think you might only get 1 for the same wage in Manilla.

    I know we will be buying a car for our next trip

    I will have to get some of my videos up on youtube if some of you want to see Cebu.
     
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