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What's More Interesting - A Seduction Course By a Male or Female?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by ``Yousef, Feb 13, 2010.

  1. ``Yousef

    ``Yousef Power Member

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    Hey guys, and girls, just a quick question I want to pop to you...

    Put yourself in the shoes of a dweeb who's probably never had a girlfriend in his life, or someone who's had a few dates but want's to feel more powerful in the relationship...

    Your offered a seduction course by either a guy who's got a lot of experience in the field of seduction, or a girl who can "leak" tips from the other side.

    Which would course would you rather go for?
     
  2. tanay46

    tanay46 Registered Member

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    Hmmm, I'd go for the guy.. Think Barney Stinson
     
  3. tymillz

    tymillz Super Moderator Staff Member

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    How about a team thing. Create the persona of a guy and a female. Maybe a married couple.
     
  4. UndeniableSpirit

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    That's a really nice spin Ty.

    Right now there are Seduction products from both men and women. But a course by a man and a woman may be very effective if the backstory is compelling :)
     
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    tacopalypse Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    the market's completely saturated by products made by guys.

    so i'd go with one made by a girl, just to stand out from the rest.
     
  6. tymillz

    tymillz Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Me ? Pm me the name of the link to the site.
     
  7. grafxextreme

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    We just completed a video course for a client of ours on this topic. We did a focus group for which one had better results. There was "no contest" between the two. The female was the best choice. She has to be a really attractive female but if you want sales this is the best way to go. You'll also want a professional actress to do this. She can read your script and your customers won't know that she's not an an "expert" on the topic.
     
  8. ``Yousef

    ``Yousef Power Member

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    grafx, it looks like you have some "expertise" knowledge of the market. Perhaps you could point me in the right direction to a place where I could look for actors to do something like this?
     
  9. N0H4T

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    I guess that depends whether I have the X or Y chromosone...lol!
     
  10. haydenm92

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    Well seeing as I'm a guy, I would probably want to hear "tips from the other side". I think i would be more compelled in that.
     
  11. Wania

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    guy - "playboy that gets every girl he wants. learn from him!"
    girl - "forget about this BS written by "experts". learn what women realy like"
    I realy like the couple idea tho - you will need to think of some nice backstory for this ( maybe "retired playboy shares his secrets. comments from his wife included - see what "opposite side" thinks!" ) but this should convert realy good...
     
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    depends.....most pple look for advice from pple they can identify with. Mirroring can work well...

    For example, you are targeting a certain mlae demographic, so imo they will tend to listen to a person of authority....in this case
    a male psychologist/doctor
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  13. Apollo21

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    I agree that it doesn't really matter as long as the material is quality. However a guy who has gone out and tested his own material (gotten dates, numbers etc) will do better in terms of following up on certain questions and problems that guys have approaching women.

    A great idea already mentioned is to have a team effort so you get both perspectives: the instruction (from the guy) and the insights (from the girl)
     
  14. grafxextreme

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    This would depend upon your market, where you live, your material and your budget.

    The couple idea is ok but we have to remember these guys are not looking to get married. To be crude, they're looking to get laid. Marriage to most men means you're not going to be getting any. 8)

    You also have to remember this doubles your cost for production when you hire two professionals to work this. Your market is going to want to learn from a hot looking woman simply because she is HOT and that's who they're trying to date than spend an hour or two watching and listening to some guy they suspect as just "talking the talk" but can only get a date if he pays them.

    The female actress is obviously HOT and that's who they want to date. So they're going to listen to her before they listen to some guy who claims he's an alpha male. (Note: Alpha males don't have to claim this. If a guy has to claim he's an alpha male then he's not.)

    Who would you rather spend and hour or two listening to and watching? A super HOT woman wearing a short skirt and plunging neckline or some dweeb who is droning on an on about his successful conquests? Who has more credibility?

    The other thing to keep in mind is that most of the "how to pick up beautiful women" gurus are like the internet gurus. They're scammers. Have no clue what they're talking about. It sounds good but only to someone who is uninformed.

    Take these dating "gurus" out there who claim to help a male become an Alpha Male. Sounds good in theory but what he's actually doing is teaching you to be an upper level Beta Male. Trying to imitate an Alpha Male is like someone who knows nothing about football trying to fit in with you and your buds and claiming to be a fan. You can spot them immediately even if they do have some stats memorized.

    Where the dating "gurus" go wrong is that they don't know who is an ideal female for a Beta Male and why. Which means most of those taking their classes fail. If they succeed it's due to the placebo effect not because of what they learned.

    Anyway, test all three out, if you have the budget for it. Create a storyboard and have each follow through with the same storyboard for your video and see how it works. Quality is very important. I've seen some of these video courses go for $2500. The better the quality the higher the price.

    You may also want to try out video banners. Not the schmuck that you see on Yahoo. But ones where you have someone speaking to you. Imagine you visit a dating website. A banner comes up to the left side. A HOT looking woman comes out, wearing a super short skirt and plunging neckline blouse with a dazzling smile. She looks at you, smiles, "Hey, I've been waiting for you to visit this page. If you're not having any luck with these lame women -- let me teach you how to get a date tonight. A real date with a real woman. Click on the button below to see what I have to show you." she says as she starts to unbutton her blouse and fades from the banner.

    Consider the conversion rates on something like the above video banner. They work extremely well. My consulting firm produce similar video banners for car dealers, pizza shops, spas, truck mods, motorcycle dealers, etc... They're more effective than the tired old flash banners you see on most sites. Basically this is like a 10sec commercial.

    Something to think about...

    Good luck!
     
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  15. Apollo21

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    The only thing that really matters is results. How many sales were made with the marketing campaign and the approach that you're using. Theories are great to discuss (especially on forums) but at the end of the day your test results(aka sales) will tell you what works better.