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What would you charge for making a website for a small business?

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  1. freebird101

    freebird101 Registered Member

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    A friend-of-a-friend is looking for someone to develop a website for their restaurant (with booking features). My plan is that I'm gonna give it a shot. I'll make a clean looking wordpress site and present it to them and see if they like it.

    They have a domain, but i guess i can take over the hosting if that's what they want. Either that, or I fix the hosting and just get admin/some access so i can keep the site up to date ect.

    Assuming the site works as intended. What would you charge for this service?

    I'm thankful for any thoughts, cheers.
     
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    Nobody but you can answer that question.

    When you say booking features though, I assume you mean reservations. Do you know what POS they use in their restaurants? You should find out if it integrates with Open Table, as that's hands down the way to go for auto-reservations.
     
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  3. freebird101

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    Thanks for the input man.

    Not sure what you mean exactly with POS here, but the restaurant is located in Sweden (where i live). Maybe there is something like that here too, but the place wants a website of their own, where people can make reservations.

    If I get them a website they like, I guess that's worth a lot in many "non internet people". But since I'm gonna use wordpress and all, it feels weird to take too much. I'm REALLY unsure of what would be a decent charge.

    I searched around on the net and many wordpress freelancers take humongus amounts for making a wordpress site. I assume they do a lot of custom stuff and all that, but still. Some took between 8-12 grand (for a small local business). That seems way over the top.

    I was thinking around 200 dollar, and maybe some small yearly cost for keeping it up to date ect. (I dont know them personally so I'm not cutting the price). Is that too little you think?
     
  4. tasburrfoot

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    Depends - are you just going to take some shitty free template from online? Or are you going to actually create a template? usually when companies charge 12 grand from a "wordpress" site, they are using the wordpress engine to create a site - not just doing a quick plug & play through Softaculous in the cPanel.

    Also, think about scope creep - they may be your friends, but they are going to be demanding as fuck. Even more so because they ARE your friend, and they will feel entitled to your every waking moment. This opinion comes from years of experience with this BS. I'm not sure about others on here, but I strictly refuse to deal with friends & family anymore, and will refer them to someone I trust instead - it's not worth the headache.
     
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    Even if they are friends, I wouldn't do it for less than $1,000. $200 is crazy cheap, you're going to spend longer on it that you think, and your hourly rate should reflect how much experience you have.
     
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    Premium theme and few premium plugins can easily eat up all your profit. If it's not a one time gig and you planing to offer this type of service for others, you should charge theme+plugins+other expenses+what your hour costs X how much hours it took. How much your hour costs depends on how much experience you have. It can be from $30 to $240 per hour. Plus sweden is not a cheap country so you should take that in mind to.

    If your expenses will not be more than $50 and you will be able to set up this website in few hours and it will not take you much of a time to make some small fixes if requested, than $200 is reasonable. But keep in mind that some people charge $200 just for logo so for somebody $200 for website may look to cheap and they might think that this website has low value. My advice would be to take your time to work out all the details maybe find where you can go extra mile with that website and charge bit more. And of course tell that this is lower price, because you starting off and need some feed back.

    As per hosting, first be sure that you have high quality hosting and there will be no problem with it. If you ordered Shared hosting for lets say $10 per month you should charge at least $15 per month + maintaining.
     
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    Thank you for sharing your wisdom guys, really appreciated.

    Regarding the wordpress complexity, is'nt there some pretty nice free ones out there? Or at least something that doesn't cost too much.

    My plan was to make the site and present it to them, cuz I'm not sure they would accept my offer with nothing to show for it. .I already have good hosting and many domains to park it on. Guess I'll just have to get dirty and start making the site.

    I can handle a no if that's the case. Maybe I'll pitch to other places then.
     
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    The main thing is how long do you think its going to take you. If you think it will take you 1 week then do this.

    1 week * your day rate * 2

    2 weeks because you will overrun.
     
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  9. freebird101

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    I'll make the site, then calculate how much effort was put into it. Then I'll settle between $ 300-1000, depending on the stuff you talked about.

    Would you guys use wordpress for this site or use/modify html/php templates? I know some basic/intermediate coding. The site would be pretty static I imagine, except for the booking. I originally thought of wordpress cuz of the simplicity of the plugins ect (+mobile ease).

    What about using some websitebuilder. Would that be smarter?

    I forgot to mention I do logos too, so that is also something I could count in.
     
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    It's honestly better to use Wordpress unless you have some PHP/JS/HTML experience. Even if you have that experience, I'd still recommend Wordpress because it's the easiest to teach to a business owner. If you're going to be selling them a website, you should consider a Themeforest (or another) account and have everything legitimate. Perhaps selling your first client with a free theme and using some of the profits towards a TF account.

    With how much to charge, you should gauge the people you're talking to. Say, lawyers. Call one or two, have the price set at $300. If it goes well or horrible, adjust the price based on how it went.
     
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    One more thing :p

    I usually learn decently fast, but I I've never done this before, so charging hourly for this is seems a little greedy. I guess I can make a rough estimation tho.

    Cheers, Big thanks
     
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    My original thought was not to teach them anything about it, cuz they are those kind of people who think the screen is the computer ^^(from my impression). So it boils down to what works and looks best, for the least cost/effort on my part (not that I'm afraid to put in the work, but still).
     
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    I wouldn't do it for less than $25 an hour OP, hell even at $30-$40 per hour is still "cheap"

    Good luck and congrats on the client :)

    PS: Add me on Skype: jean.arbo I run a small web design and development studio and wouldn't mind trading info with you.
     
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    If you charge them $200 you'll kick yourself because even if they only pay $20 they'll still want to put on you and put on you and have a $1500 service and website at the end.

    Cheaper / lower paying clients are the worst of all because they take up all of your time, never stop moaning, keep asking for extras, and you'll end up working for about $1.50 an hour.

    Tell them it's going to take XX hours and I charge $XX per hour so that's $XXX or $XXXX
     
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    In the MB enthusiast world, we often say that there's nothing more expensive than a cheap Mercedes. When it comes to business, I say that that there's nothing more expensive than a cheap client.

    The reasons you listed are also the reason you need to cover yourself in your contract with the client; to prevent scope creep.

    OP, I have some contract templates you can use in the link below.
    https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/4...cts-right-now-free-contracts-included.789725/
     
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    Sorry i've I suggest something what is already mentioned above, but here is my quick advice

    - charge on time 200-750$ (depending on how many profit you think they gain, yes I know this is little unfair, but you have to put effort into it, and 200 dollars for a restaurant which makes huge profit is also not fair)
    - let them buy hosting through your affiliate link (hosting is the most shitty part, if there is ever trouble you won't like be part of that, email and things is a totall disaster, let the hosting company fix it and you gain like 20 dollars every year because of the affiliate link. Make sure you find a hosting partner that pays yearly not one time)
    - buy a premium theme with booking integraton (this will save you a lot of headache, eventually count this up the one time fee you charged or so, discuss always this investments with the buyer)
    - agree with your buyer that you will do updates and small changes like menu's and colors for free for 1 year. AYou build trust with the buyer and you need this for the next thing: after the year you charge again, for service updates and minor changes. They trust you, and they think you deserve it. Just ask 100$ a year or 20$ per update/fix on the site

    you can do some twists but this is money making toturial on it's own if you ask me (this is my core business but not for this prices)
     
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    The last thing you want is a reputation as the guy who can build money-making websites for $200. They will make tens of thousands off your work if the business develops properly. Get your share. If it is going to take a week for you to build it perfectly, then charge the cost of a skilled worker for a week. If it takes 4 weeks, then charge 4 weeks. If it takes less than a week, then I would still apply a one week minimum and charge for the full week (even if it just takes a few hours). As for an annual maintenance fee, I think a one week fee for the year would be a bargain
     
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    don't forget we are talking about friends.

    if you are new to this, this is great to test your skills. Just ask the friends that they won't mention the price, so when you can create another website through recommondation you can name the price you want. I would say use this as a marketing tool. :)
     
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    Depends...how good are you at what you do?