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What would I need to do to keep myself safe in this situation?

Discussion in 'CPA' started by Lawlerskates, Jun 25, 2010.

  1. Lawlerskates

    Lawlerskates Junior Member

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    My thought process lately has been all over the place and I'm losing a grip. So I need someone to break this down for me.

    Let's say I run a forum - let's call it coolforum.com. Now coolforum.com appears to be a completely legitimate forum and it seems to be somewhat lively. To be able to view/post in this forum though, you need to get passed the CPA Gateway

    So then I advertise my forum all over the 'net - advertising it to have 'niche porn, copyrighted videos, game downloads (warez), etc.

    Of course once they fill out the CPA Gateway and see I don't have what they want - they'll leave (it's possible I'll keep registration locked). My method doesn't rely on repeat visitors, just one-timers.


    So would I want to blank the refererr so that the CPA Network doesn't see my traffic come from where I'm spamming/advertising? How do I go about this?
     
  2. Grizzy

    Grizzy Senior Member

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    Use the search button dude. No need for another thread on what is perhaps the most discussed topic in bhw history.

    Search for 'double meta refresh' and 'CPA Redirector', read the pros and cons of each, and then make up your mind which route you want to take.
     
  3. Lawlerskates

    Lawlerskates Junior Member

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    I suppose I already know about these, but I was more curious about how risky it is?
     
  4. Grizzy

    Grizzy Senior Member

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    Well they both have pros and cons.

    Double meta refresh is fine as long as you can justify with your am why you want to hide your traffic sources.

    CPA Redirector allows you to fake your referrer (no need to justify anything with your am), but the "fake" site needs to have the alexa rank and pr to back up the amount of clicks you are sending.

    As long as implemented properly, both work flawlessly from a technical standpoint. But there is always risk as there is always the chance someone reports your shady method to the advertiser, or an am stumbles across your bh site, or your leads just don't convert, ect.. and then the referrer wont matter one bit.

    Both methods will probably require you mixing some junk traffic in to bring down the abnormally high conversion rates that are common with incentivized offers. Depending on the volume and how you spread it out, you may also need some legit whitehat leads that actually convert..


    Hope it helps :)
     
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  5. Lawlerskates

    Lawlerskates Junior Member

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    Thank you :). But I suppose the whole thing can unravel easily. All it takes is one CPA-knowledgeable person to go to my site, click the content gateway's "help"/"report" button and report my site for spamming. I wish there was a way to keep all my bases covered. With net30 payments, that's 60 days of sweating it out. How do most of you do it?
     
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    Sly.Niches Newbie

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    If you can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen?
     
  7. Grizzy

    Grizzy Senior Member

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    You welcome :) but I didn't realize you were talking about that particular network. If that's the case then I believe using cpa redirector or a double meta refresh will be difficult (if not impossible) to use in conjunction with their gateway. (Would like to hear more if someone has a different opinion tho)

    I think its better to use something like bhcb and spread out your bh leads over multiple different offers and across multiple cpa networks. This way you make more money, spread out the risk, and its a little bit harder for people to report you. My above post would make much more sense if you are doing this :D
     
  8. Lawlerskates

    Lawlerskates Junior Member

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    Yea well I was making $500 per day for a few weeks using a different blackhat method I've come across and then I got shut down, leaving me confiscated of my whitehat earnings as well (guess I shouldn't have messed around, putting all my eggs in one basket).


    Anyways I'm a little bit confused on how CPA redirector works.

    Is it like....

    You have a gateway'd blackhat site that gets all the leads. So you put CPA Redirector on this blackhat page which points to your content gateway'd whitehat site. So when your AM checks your leads and their source - it looks like it's all coming from your whitehat site. You try to make to make the whitehat site look neat and capable of sustaining the earnings you've received from your blackhat site.

    ...is that all?


    And as for Black Hat Code Breaker - do CPA Networks care if you use this? I mean...it has blackhat in the title - doesn't that make Affiliate Networks nervous? Or would I use BHCB in conjunction with CPA Redirector?

    I guess right now I'm just asking a bunch of questions I've been afraid to ask.
     
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  9. Grizzy

    Grizzy Senior Member

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    Not quite. You install cpa redirector on the whitehat site that you want to look like the leads are coming from. After it is all setup on the wh site, you will be given a url like http://www.yourwhitehatblog.com/some-post-with-a-cpa-banner/?mn=xxxx. You will then use that link for any bh traffic you want to send and it will look like it is actually coming from that particular blog post. ie you would include that link in your bhcb gateway.

    Exactly, your am knows nothing about you using bhcb. If your network knew you were using bhcb with non-incent offers they would ban you. They think all your leads are coming from your whitehat site. You can always use bhcb in conjunction with incent-allowed offers, but they dont pay as much, are harder to convert, and limit the ways in which you can promote your gateway (no porn, copyrighted stuff, ect..)
     
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  10. Lawlerskates

    Lawlerskates Junior Member

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    I hate to seem like an imbecile, but I still don't have the concept grasped. So I put the CPA Redirector on the whitehat page. Then I send my spam/blackhat/illegit traffic to that special URL attached to my whitehat page - which then redirects them to my blackhat page with BHCB?

    And damn :),I forgot that you could use black hat code breaker in conjunction with non-incentivized offers. Does that mean I would be making more money than I would be with the typical content gateway?

    (Btw, +rep for the help, I appreciate it)
     
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  11. Grizzy

    Grizzy Senior Member

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    Heh almost mate. CPA redirector goes on on you wh site yes. But you use the url on your bh page and your traffic gets redirected to your wh site and then to the cpa offer.

    BH site w/ BHCB ------ CPA-R URL ----> WH Site ------> CPA Offer

    You bet! You can use non-incent first page email / zip submits, meaning you make more money per action, and you don't force your visitor to have to fill out ridiculously long surveys or costly mobile offers.

    Thanks for da rep :)
     
  12. Lawlerskates

    Lawlerskates Junior Member

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    :confused:

    Ok, so I send traffic to my blackhat site with blackhatcodebreaker. But how exactly does the CPA-R URL work with this? Do I have to get the traffic to click the CPA-R URL? When I think of a URL, I think of a clickable link.
     
  13. Grizzy

    Grizzy Senior Member

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    You send traffic to your blackhat site however you want (spam ect..) and on your bh site is a bhcb gateway that uses a cpa-r url instead of a regular offer url.

    A URL is simply:
    Code:
    http://www.google.com
    while a clickable link is actually a html tag with a url as a value of one of its attributes wrapped around some text.
    Code:
    <a href=http://www.google.com>Google</a>
    Basically how CPA-R works is that once you install it, you can assign any post on your blog with a cpa offer URL (the one you get from your cpa network that you will send you traffic to ie. http://www.some-cpa-network.com/offerid=12345). In addition to assigning cpa offers to posts, you also set a global 'magic number'.

    Now any time you want to send bh traffic, you use a cpa-r url (which is really just the normal url to your blog post, with the magic number appended to the end of it). So lets say you had a wh blog: http://www.freebies-blog.com. You cpa-r url could look something like this http://www.freebies-blog.com/free-ipod/?mn=98765. Any time anyone goes to http://www.freebies-blog.com/free-ipod/?mn=98765 the referrer will be set to http://www.freebies-blog.com/free-ipod/ (which should be a blog post promoting a cpa offer legitimately) and this is what the cpa network and advertiser will see.

    So if you wanted to use bhcb on a bh site of yours, you would use the cpa-r url (http://www.freebies-blog.com/free-ipod/?mn=98765) instead of the cpa network offer url (http://www.some-cpa-network.com/offerid=12345) in your gateway. People even go further then that and cloak or shorten the cpa-r or even add additional hops in the path to the cpa-r url itself. So maybe they would link to a tinyurl on their bhcb gateway, which leads to the cpa-r url..

    I think the best thing may to be for you to just install bhcb or any free content blocker (they are all very similar) on one site and then install cpa redirector 2 on a different site. Explore how bhcb works and then learn about cpa-r, as it can be confusing trying to picture how it all fits together if you haven't seen how they work separately. The CPA-R wp plugin is super easy to use, and it'll seem less complicated once you get it up and running. I'm pretty sure Brad (the developer) does a better job explaining it on his blog then I do also :D
     
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  14. jacksonice

    jacksonice Newbie

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    I am a newbie and can make only a little amount of affiliate jobs. But, I would say that this is not the method which will be liked by your CPA network they may ban your account, so be careful.
     
  15. jacksonice

    jacksonice Newbie

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    One thing more, if you are doing some programs like email submit, then it is more risky because your advertiser is not getting what it was supposed to. I would suggest to get your commission out as soon as you can, because they can ban you anytime.
     
  16. Grizzy

    Grizzy Senior Member

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    jacksonice this is black hat cpa marketing bud, and a ban can always be around the next corner. No one should do anything they're not comfortable with, but there are numerous ways to lessen the risk.

    Spread everything out (many different offers across many different networks)..
    Send junk traffic to keep your ctr and impressions in check..

    but most importantly.. if you want any sort of viable long term income while doing this sort of stuff you need to be sending legit wh leads as well. Build up a base of converting wh traffic and once you are in the good graces with your am and a proven earner for the network, slowly mix in your black hat methods.

    Keep it under the radar, make a little coin for the network and advertiser, take a little extra for yourself, and trust me, you will be fine. I've been at this for a while, it does work if you don't get too greedy ;)