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Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by ardley216, Jan 30, 2014.

  1. ardley216

    ardley216 Elite Member

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    If I were to buy a fresh domain, 301 it to another website, and spam the 301'd domain?
     
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    Idea behind 301 that it passes everything from original domain. So I get any benefits from your spamming you your 301 site will get them but if your spammed site got hammered with penalty you can remove redirect. People question though if this strategy still works.
     
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    Ok good to know. What if... I 301'd spammed domain to a web 2, then pointed the web 2 to my money site?
     
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    If you spam the fresh website to death and redirect it with 301 to your money site, in simple terms it means that are just spamming your money website.
     
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    This case is safe, but power will be diluted in the way a lot.
     
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    Diluted how much?

    say for example:

    money site <-- web 2 <-- 301'd domain <-- 1million comments (lol)

    how would that compare to:

    money site <-- web 2 <-- web 2 <-- 1 million comments


    ?
     
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    Comments are good for nothing.

    The first example is stronger than the second, because in the first scenario you transfer every link to the web 2.
     
  9. lucardk

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    I was thinking the exact same thing this morning and was about to start a thread....

    My question is... What is the worst case scenario that might happen to the money site? By simply removing the 301 all penalties should be lifted or am I missing something here?

    I've read in another thread someone doing this with url shorteners...

    Do you guys think it might work?
     
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    Interesting. Ok well not comments, but like a big fat GSA blast or something.


    So 2 tiers of web 2s is weaker than web 2 and 301.

    Will do some of my own tests too
     
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    Why not try it for yourself and see what happens?
     
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    Of course. I've tried some 301 url shorteners with some success, but that was with the aid of the diverse direct backlinking too. I'm just messing around with other configurations. I am just wondering on other peoples experiences.
     
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    Yes, because the 301 passes everything, but a link from a web 2.0 only passes a little.

    I've not seen a 301 pass a penalty (yet). Would love to hear is it's genuinely happened to anyone.
     
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    What is the point of a forum? Of course I'll try it on my own but getting some feedback would be nice...

    I've heard a lot of stories regarding 301's, but the question is if in the case of a penalty by simply removing the 301 will the money site be safe?..
     
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    If you want to spam some domain and 301 redirect it, why wouldn't you buy older one? Many of them are sold for cheap
     
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    Cause I wouldn't have control over the anchors and the type of links ;)
     
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    I do this all the time and can rank pretty high

    Money site ---->web 2.0------> BLog comments.
    Money site----------------------> High PR Blog comments
    Money site----->301 High pr domain-------->Directory submissions --------Blog Spam

    Diversify
     
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    301s can pass a penalty AND it can cause a penalty where none existed. This is well known. 2 first hand examples:

    1. I had a penalized site that I redirected to another aged domain and after a few weeks it passed the penalty on. Though I did recover the new site while retaining the 301 and it's ranking better than ever today.

    2. I had new client recently that had 301ed his old site to his new site (same niche so it was a legit 301) but he got an immediate algorithm penalty in under 24 hours (his link profile was already questionable so this just tipped something over in the algorithm)... After lifting the 301, the penalty remained and was still applied when I checked with him 2 weeks later after cleaning things up. But this is not surprising since Google is slow at lifting penalties.

    Spamming your T1 links CAN still get negative results and a 301 won't make a difference since we already know it passes penalties. That's why you see services using multiple tiers with even semi-decent quality on T2.
     
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    301 can act as a buffer. Skeptics think anywhere between 10-20% in reduction in link juice. That also means you can still need to be careful in the event it was supremely over blasted with links. But in reality when doing 301 redirects from old to new sites you do not need to redirect the whole site just certain High PR pages. (but that's a convo for another day)

     
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  20. lucardk

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    Don't know about ardley216 but the all concept of my questions was related to BLASTING the 301 domains and once the penalty hits the money site simply remove the redirect...