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What would be the best way to invest a small loan from my mother?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Ranko Jones, Jul 16, 2011.

  1. Ranko Jones

    Ranko Jones BANNED BANNED

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    I am considering asking my mother for a loan as I am making very slow progress and my deadline for having to earn money is getting closer and closer.

    I wouldn't want to buy just one or two service which would piss away after a cpl of weeks. Maybe I would if it earned me money and breathing space on page one for a decent exact kw (dunno, if this seems advisable let me know). That way I could take some time to look at what they did and backwards engineer it myself.

    I want to invest in lasting success and learning the game myself. I have bought SB, AMR, paid for xrumer blasts and apart from the genius SB I would say non of those has given me much noticeable/lasting improvements. AMR did when I 1st got it but now it seems total shit.

    Even SB now seems watered down and pretty ineffective (I'm still trying to learn to get juice out of it but it seems harder and harder). I spend 12 hours a day on this stuff and in the past weeks I've seen only WORSE serp results.

    I was just thinking maybe hiring someone to analyze what I've done and what I still have to do to make money would be one of the best ideas. Teach a man to fish and all.

    So let me know if anyone would be interested in this and how much it would be- I would obviously want to see good proof of credentials/IM success beforehand.

    Otherwise what would be the best way to invest it?
     
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  2. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    SB does not work as expected after Panda. Now it is only complimentary.

    In effect, you are looking for a mentor. good luck and be careful.
     
  3. DamageX

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    I'll second this. I think your main problem has been gunning for the wrong keywords/niches. Otherwise I do admire your persistence and you don't seem to be afraid of work and getting your hands dirty.
     
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  4. Danny1111

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    I think you are focussing solely on SEO from your post

    the problem with that is it takes some time and its up and down - as alot depends on your site/content and your competition

    you should be using youtube/facebook or twitter to get into something that will make you money today - then use that money to invest into the seo side of what your doing.

    like you have found out - I dont use scrapebox for commenting I use it for other stuff cause its ineffective these days.

    anyway thats my advice - get into something to do with social media first.

    cheers
     
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  5. Ranko Jones

    Ranko Jones BANNED BANNED

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    Yes I've been doing almost pure SEO for aorund 3 months now.

    The reason I have shied away fomr social media stuff is I don;t like the idea of having to be a more public figure...is that a misperception?

    I like SEO cos I can pull the strings indirectly and see the results whereas social media stuff seems like I might have to put my face out there more or otherwise outsource to someone. Other than that it seems like more dealing with people which I don;t like and prefer staying a few tiers deep :).

    Out of interest what makes you say it brings money today vs. SEO not doing so?

    The past few days I've been considering clickbank again after realizing adsense seems pretty out of the question at my stage.

    I'm also gonna start working the long tails again in my SEO efforts. I started on another a cpl days ago and it is nice to see the software seems to still at least work with these easy rankers :D.
     
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  6. Drink More Tea

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    Don't take out a loan, you already have everything you need at your disposal.
     
  7. Furyx2

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    so how much are you making right now?
     
  8. HDShock

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    I agree with the other guys.. Taking out a loan may not be a good idea at this stage. You are also slighting yourself a good amount of traffic by shying away from social media though.

    My posts tend to be 5 pages long which no one seems to read anyways (lol) ,so in an effort of keeping it short... The best advice I can give is to explore more in depth with social media and keep working at it. This forum is a great resource for people once you learn how to weed out the good info from the bad and that only comes with time and experience... If you keep chipping away and learning from what you do, you'll get there eventually.
     
  9. the1sun

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    id say stocks, if you do a little research there are a lot of stocks that have good returns
     
  10. DamageX

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    Much higher risk than doing IM. You need a lot more time and money to experiment.
     
  11. jb2008

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    When you make a new site, G takes ages to rank. They are even more strict on new sites nowadays. You may be doing OK but you might just be impatient.

    On the other hand most SB links are nofollow and would have limited use. I have also seen little improvement from AMR -- even with extremely well spun articles. However it's early days and my next step is to juice them up and observe the difference if any. Make sure your keyword research is targeting low competition keywords only, start with the low hanging fruit as it's what I'm doing.

    I would not get into debt because it's just not good. You are desperate to earn money and that's OK, but money doesn't come quick for most newbies, it involves a lot of testing and failing and learning to see what works and what doesn't.
     
  12. Ranko Jones

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    Lol, stocks, I even thought that might have been a troll post. :D

    I'm thinking if I could buy a service or two which could get me some decent traffic on a decent traffic keyword I could then backwards engineer what they did. It might give me some breathing space then too if it converted into some sales.

    I have been failing miserably on higher traffic keywords (1k exact+) now since shitbag panda has rendered my programs infertile- SB and AMR. No matter what I seem to do now it seems to only make results worse.
     
  13. PinkBitz

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    Have to disagree with you on been infertile. I have released a new site just over 2 weeks ago and have 14 posts on the site. I have 37 keywords already ranking which include the product name and the author and generally another 2 long tail keywords thrown in there.

    All these come from Yahoo and Google.

    This is what I have done for each article I post:

    1. Setup SenukeX Basic Pyramid Blast (One Day)
    2. Blast SB To The First Tier Built In Step 1.

    Honestly that is all I have done so far.

    I am getting just over 30 organic visitors a day and that is climbing each day which I think is not bad for a 2 week old site and minimal work has been put in with no manual links built.

    Stick with it and you will find a formula that works for you.
     
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  14. Ranko Jones

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    What is the exact match for your keywords?

    Also what kind of lists are you using for SB?

    I've been scraping and blasting day and night with AA and they haven't made a scratch only moved me further back from mid 20's to 30. This is for a 1k exact kw.
     
  15. PinkBitz

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    Below is a screenshot just taken from RankTool. The main KW is 2,400 (exact). The other are anywhere from 10 - 200. The main KW is the one that says 14 Google and 10 Yahoo.

    With SB I just scrape myself based on a KW and blast with that. Not too fussed when it comes to OBL etc as it is to the second tier so it shouldn't affect my main site in a negative way.

    Do you think it is possible you are blasting too much? My suggestion is take a step back and stop working on it for a week and track your results. You might be surprised to find once some links start to drop in your site will bounce back and be stronger. Also what are the Anchor texts your using? (I know you probably know this but just to eliminate all possibilities, I mean the names you use to blast.)

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  16. warriorkarl

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    hey pink,

    can you tell me which rank tool you are using?

    king regards
     
  17. PinkBitz

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    SEO Power Suite, can be found in the forum.

    OP, I haven't forgotten about your PM just busy. Will get to it tomorrow.
     
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