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What To Tell Your AM About iFraming

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by gimme4free, Jan 18, 2009.

  1. gimme4free

    gimme4free Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I have managed to stay under the radar for quite some time without being questioned but one of my AM's emailed me today asking me why I was iFraming the offer instead of direct linking to the landing page along with questions about traffic sources.

    What have you said to your AM in the past that he/she was cool with?

    I was previously doing $20-$50/day per network but moved up to $50-$100/day and instantly been questioned!
     
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  2. zone69

    zone69 Junior Member

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    I iframe the whole offer as well but I got permission from my AM prior to doing so and they were OK with it. The reason to iframe an offer is to hide the affiliate URL in the address bar making it appear that the offer is directly on your domain.

    If you are just framing the form of the offer on your page, than I guess that would be a different story all together and they would likely know you are incentivizing if they were to find the page and investigate.
     
  3. gimme4free

    gimme4free Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    My AM is seeing the full page offer being iFramed. I have not dealt with the network in too large earnings at a time in the past but this being my first time they have questioned me.
     
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    how did they know that you were using iframes? double meta refreshes or redirects ought to have eliminated the referrer of your blackhat page
     
  5. zone69

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    You can hide the referrer but using javascript they can still detect it is iframed.
     
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    I don't make very much with the offer I am iframing but I think wanting to make it look as though the offer is on your own domain is a valid excuse since you are presenting the whole offer page. I would just tell them you don't want the offer URL showing in the address bar.
     
  7. gimme4free

    gimme4free Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Im not hiding my landing page. My landing page that my AM sees is legit. As your AM can see that you are iframing anyway I feel safer showing them what I am doing (Showing them a false white hat page)
     
  8. kwong12

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    they can detect that it is iframed, but they can't detect the url of the page containing iframe.

    as for as I know, the way to detect if an iframe is being used /not is just by checking the top coordinates of the page. if the coordinates don't match their top coordinates, then it must have been iframed. as for the source, if we use javascript redirects / double meta refreshes, they would either get a whitehat referral or a blank one.

    it goes like this: blackhat page (containing iframe) -> whitehat page with aff link -> ad network fraud engine -> cpa landing page

    so your AM can only check for iframes through their own built antifraud system.

    once you're in the cpa landing page, only the advertiser can detect iframes.
    if that's the case, this can be avoided by choosing CPA offers that don't break out of iframes.
     
  9. kwong12

    kwong12 Newbie

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    ah i got it now

    did a short test, yes your aff manager can detect the url of your bh site with iframe

    using this: window.parent.location

    suppose being truthful with the AM is the best thing to do. or does anyone have any other ideas, i'm all ears (PM perhaps)
     
  10. gimme4free

    gimme4free Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I was thinking of doing that Johny but that means you have also got to spend time on getting the page a good SEO score otherwise they will be like WTF you have got a shit quality score on that page why dont you just link to the main URL
     
  11. keshavdutt

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    oaky i am too big a noob :d..what is "AM" in first post :confused:
     
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    Affiliate Manager.


     
  13. kwong12

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    you could be "just starting" a new campaign with adwords, so that u already have a bad quality score and want to avoid being slapped even more by google.
     
  14. DaveNL

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    You could just ad a blog with some articles in your niche to it and just leave some space on the bottom of the page top link to it, that is what i do with AdWords stuff if your AM ask something you can point him to the link at the below your iframe (not in the framed page of course) and say you need that for QS ....
     
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  15. skweekykleen

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    I'm not trying to hijack your thread, this is very relevant IMO...

    I actually have a way to prevent anyone from finding the page that you are showing to your visitors. For instance, if your visitors are going to a.html, and you are loading b.html in an iframe, i can make it so that b.html would report an entirely different page for window.parent.location

    If there's any interest, I can post a new thread with instructions...
     
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    SEO score? Never heard that term before...

    Just put together a page using the basic SEO concepts, good title, good use of keywords etc. takes all of about 10 minutes or so. Most CPA landing pages have horrible quality scores so even the smallest optimization on your part will improve the score, thus it's a very reasonable excuse to give your AM.
     
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    I'm having trouble getting my iframe working. I loaded it onto my server and all and when I go to type in MY domain, it STILL redirects to my shitty long ass affiliate link.

    Any troubleshooting or does my AFNetwrk have control over which links can get iframed??
     
  18. gimme4free

    gimme4free Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Sounds like an iFrame breaker. Search the forum for anti-iframe breaker.
     
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    Were the anti-iframe breakers moved to Jr. Vip or something? I'm not finding it with search anymore...
     
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    i hate when people refers to them as my AM like AM's are someone special or something it sounds like u are working for someone else at a office or a job i thought we all wanna be our own bosses?
     
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