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What Should Come First - Keywords/Niche or Product?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by LovervsFighter, Jan 4, 2012.

  1. LovervsFighter

    LovervsFighter Junior Member

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    Now I know the title is a little convoluted so I'll try and be a little clearer.

    I've read on this forum people speak in length about finding the right niche and keywords. I've also seen countless sites on Flippa and similar website auction sites that sell for great prices but are based around selling a particular product on said website.

    As a complete noob I'm hoping the veterans of BHW can shed some light on the question I have, which is:

    Do most IM's already have a business/product to sell before they seek out keywords to build their site's around or is it more a case of, do the research, find a niche with big potential and THEN search for a product to sell on that site once it's established?

    Thanks guys. Hope you're all well!
     
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    Before I rant, do you have an idea of the type of route you will take to make money.

    (Affiliate marketing, adsense, amazon, etc....)
     
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    I'm based in Australia, so I think that leaves me out of the running for any Amazon sales (despite my site being a .com.)

    I have an account with Peer Fly and, of course, AdSense so I'd be suggesting that those two will be my primary streams of revenue.

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    1. Keyword Research (buying terms - exact match over 10,000/month)
    2. Product research (something that meets demand)
    3. Exactmatch domain or something close to it.
    4. Methodology (adsence vs Cpa vs Clickbank)
    5. Competition analysis
    6. Too Competitive = leave it alone
    7. No competition = $$$$$$
    8. Write out Systems step by step in precise detail so a child could
    understand it.
    9. Give Systems to VA (virtual assistant) to duplicate.

    Sorry for the simplistic outline thats basically all that I do.:D
     
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    So you'd say that those who don't already have a particular product to sell online - a dvd, a computer program etc - can still successfully make money from a site that, for example, is full of adsense and informative articles on breast enlargement surgery risks (provided the audience was there,) and nothing else.

    Can well written articles and Adsense make money without trying to sell a product?
     
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    Yep exactly, however, you will need to pick your battles. Just because you can write good articles on breast enlargement surgery & surgery risks and you get them to rank, this does not mean that its going to pay all that well especially through adsense even if there is little or no competition.
     
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    So that is why I'd then do my keyword research and ensure the competition surrounding that particular niche is high and that adsense advertisers are shelling out their cash to appear on sites like mine? :)

    Sorry to labour on the one point but I'm sure you don't mind helping a fellow Aussie out? :p
     
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    Competition reqirements are two fold:

    1. You will need the Competition for the niche to be high = higher cpc
    2. Competition for your keyword or keyphrase to be low = higher rankings

    Do you see the distinction?
     
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    You can still do Amazon.. nothing stopping you.. just sell to the USA, Aussies buy off amazon too u know. they just have to pay higher delivery costs
    Find a nich
    do the keywords for the niche (niche and product will be the same thing sort of)
     
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    I've had a stab at it before but with no success.

    I can certainly buy stuff from Amazon as I've done it previously myself, but to set up an Affiliate store I'm fairly certain you need to be a U.S. resident?
     
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    I think so.

    Sticking with our breast enhancement example - (as I just checked it out after I thought 'damn! I hope I haven't just given away a brilliant niche as an off-the-cuff example! :p )

    Say I wanted to rank for: "natural breast augmentation"

    I would want adsense competition for this niche/phrase to be high - Approx CPC - $5.15

    Where as I would want my other competition - other sites etc - to be LOW. " Google Found - About 14,700 results

    Am I getting that distinction right?
     
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    Yes, but the main thing is you need "natural breast augmentation" to have an "exact search" per month that is enough to push traffic through it and get the high CPC. I dont worry about the whole 14,700 results. I go to page 1 and look at the top 3 results and decide whether I want to go up aginst them. Look at there PR, Age, Link profile ect.

    Does this make sense?
     
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    All except for 'link profile' of which I'm a little hazy.

    So 2,400 Global Monthly Searches for "natural breast augmentation" would have you moving right along to the next niche/keyword?
     
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    Link profile means the type, quanity, and velocity of backlinks pointing to that domain. You can usually determine the difficulty of ranking a keyword by running backlink analysis of your competitors.

    At 2400 per month and a high cpc it would definitely be something to rank along with the keyword set you would have if you chose to create a micro niche or authority site on the subject. Expand this term and find some long tailed keywords that get like 500-1000 exact searches per month and you will find that those specific keywords rank quickly with little competition.

    Keyword research and competition analysis are very important when it comes to adsense.

    How much time do you currently have to dedicate towards your internet marketing ventures?
     
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    I'd be able to comfortably say that I could dedicate about 2 - 3 hours a day to SEO/Internet Marketing so, about 15 hours a week which, I don't think is too bad.

    My only hurdle is that I'm a really structured kind of guy and I get a lot of 'IM is a try it and see type gig' comments and that doesn't help me very much. I like to know Step 1 - 10 etc you know. It doesn't have to be set in stone but it helps me focus on my goals and I think it's what I may be lacking at the moment and it's causing me to not get as much out of my IM career as I am capable of.

    I hope that makes sense? :p
     
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    I understand what you mean.

    Basically in any online venture the SEO aspect will always remain the same.

    Choose a niche market, analyze competition, develop a list of keywords, optimize and monetize a website, build backlinks, maintain rankings, outsource anything you can AFFORD.

    Of course there are always things that happen in between and your earnings will vary based on many factors.

    In the end everyone that was destined to make money online will find the way of earning that works best for them based on the options available.

    BHW is a mythical labyrinth of information and you will find yourself lost in its perpetual awesomeness quite often.

    If you have skype pm me and I can help you out when I'm not busy. I was just about to start a new adsense campaign myself so if that's something you're interested in I can give you some pointers and get you on the right track without the learning curve.
     
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