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What seperates those making from those not...

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  1. sophist

    sophist Registered Member

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    I have been online for 5 years now and have had limited success. I am at about $800/mth now. Not nearly enough to retire from the rat race. So this led me to think about what really separates those making a living online vs. those not?

    Obviously follow through is a huge part of it. I have been implementing a few of the things I have read here at BHW. However I have not been able to make any money with them yet.

    Do you think that the mindset of the person makes a difference? What I mean is even though "I" try my best with a method does a small part of my subconscious sabotage it? The small little voice saying "you can't do this" "this can't work" etc.

    I guess I am feeling a bit discouraged at the moment since I see others (not necessarily here) jump on and make a bunch of money right out of the gate while I bust my hump for a little.

    Anyway, just had to get this off my chest. Thanks for listening.
     
  2. MrsE

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    You're not the only one feeling this way....

    I feel this way sometimes too.....

    But then again, i'm making $1400 a month (which seems small to me)....online...

    Once you make money, you'll have a hunger for more, and it'll always grow with IM

    there's great potential
     
  3. aмillionaírе

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    It's your level of mental power IMO...
     
  4. Jagged55

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    Sometimes quitting and starting over is the key. Meaning that if you are trying to make the same old sites work for you and the same methods, you have to stop ASAP and find something new to try. Once you find something that works you duplicate it as quickly as you can and ride it out until it dies also. But whenever possible, find a new method while that one is working so all your eggs aren't in one basket. Good luck.
     
  5. sophist

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    That is why I started to come to BHW. The white hat stuff was getting stale for me. Not that is isn't viable I just got bored with it.

    I found I had waaaaayyyyy to many frying pans in the fire. Everyday I would jump onto whatever I felt like doing. I seriously lacked focus. Now that is still prevalent but the shift in strategy is refreshing.
     
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    I can see past all the bullshit and use methods that work.
     
  7. dre7

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    Just be Patient, Patience is the key in almost everything.
     
  8. sophist

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    Isn't that the key, to see past the BS.

    Forums can be extremely non-productive. It feels good to read about all the stuff that is "working". Gives hope that it will work for you.
     
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    It is easier to do that after you have tried a bunch of things yourself. Otherwise, every ebook looks promising and everyone with 50 posts and a suggestion looks like a guru. Just look at the ebooks and old posts that noobs are trying even though others know the method doesn't work any longer. Then after you read and do a little research, you are left with the following methods and this is what a lot of people think about them right off the top:

    Autoblogging - can't work because of duplicate content
    Ewhoring - stupid to do because nobody will fall for it
    Porn - Can't make money there because it is too competitive
    Pharma - Can't make money there because it is too competitive
    Gambling - Competitive and illegal
    Adsense - Can't do anything except WH because I will get banned
    CS - Too expensive to get into and I will get banned
    etc etc etc

    Sometimes you just gotta try some things, spend some money, beg some people and even piss a couple off until you get the answers you need to succeed. And then prove to yourself that you can make some money in the above areas if you combine a few tactics/methods. There is no shortage of people that will tell you how successful they are, you just have to be able to find a couple that will give you some honest answers.
     
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    I think that's the best answer ^^ I couldnt have said it better myself..You gotta fail ...fail somemore then fail again to really understand how to make money online. I think the problem comes in when people quit to soon and they never did enough failing to see the fruits of there labor when things are working.
     
  11. greyhatdude

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    @jagged55...
    Nice summary there. I started quoting and commenting on your post but all of the quotes are fricking priceless...
    ...LOL, not anymore, not to me. Maybe I'm slow and it took me a while to catch on - but if there's not an exec VIP involved in the thread, I'm staying the eff away, unless we're talking about software. - Then I might test it out.

    I've gone through over a hundred ebooks and "methods"... after awhile they all look the same --
    Because they ARE.

    :dito:
    I've tried a few of these things and I honestly think I didn't make money because (a) I didn't commit to learning everything available about the methods and making them work and (b) I wasn't really INTO them...But I'm going to try pharma now, because I think I can compete and competing in that arena actually looks FUN and INTERESTING.

    Seriously, there's too much BS and incompleteness on this forum and it ticks me off that people who know the truth aren't calling others out on their BS. Personally I'm going to upgrade to JR VIP and intend to begin paying more attention to the Exec VIPS. I think that they are the key people that Blackhats need to emulate.
     
  12. sophist

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    I agree but at what point do you call it a failure? I look back and there are many ventures I have got into online and walked away. I still question whether I should have stuck it out. A fine balance between time and money.
     
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    If you ask me what separates those making from the net and those not, i'd say it's the size of one's penis or the depth of one's vagina (can't leave me females out)

    But really, I think it's just taking things one day at a time and stop listening to people who post about how much they make etc whether it's true or not, it's not you, don't try to live through them, just do ya own thang.
     
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    I have been online from past 2 year and slowly made 50$ (took me 6 months to understand Internet world :D ).. then 100$ and till today it is a good experience for me
     
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    It doesn't matter what title you hold at this forum or any other. Nobody is going to hold your hand for free. And the people that are selling coaching are usually selling the same system that everyone else is using that works. They aren't going to give away a secret method they use to feed their family for a few bucks. That is the main reason that methods remain "incomplete" to the naked eye. Once you know a few things though, you can read between the lines and adapt their outline to your system.

    I think the main reason people dwell on a failing method is because they expect instant results. And when they don't get them, they keep tweaking and tweaking them waiting for the money to flow in. Buy a cheap domain, throw something up and monitor it every week or month. At the same time, have 3 or 4 methods going and do the same. When one starts to bring in money, try and tweak that method with a 5th domain etc.

    You can listen to them but prove them wrong or have the track record to know what they are saying is right. Lately the vast majority of people posting and asking questions here don't know a single thing about making a WH site let alone a BH site/system that will operate correctly. I just don't get why they are here and not at webmaster world or a similar site learning the basics of seo/html. It's like someone who has never made toast asking a bunch of chefs what a kitchen is.

    Time is money...so if someone is giving you their time in a post/pm/email etc you are profiting while they lose money. So be prepared so you can ask the questions you should be asking.
     
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    The secret to making money is DO SOMETHING anything at all and don't quit til you figure out a way to make it profitable. Most people who say they are Internet Marketers spend maybe 1 hour a day actually working. If IM is your job treat it like a job. Be serious about it and actually put the work in and you will make money
     
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    Determination and drive separate those who make money and those who don't. Some people don't accept failure as an option while others seem to embrace it. Online or not it doesn't matter. If your not determined to succeed your just destined to fail.
     
  18. Sanitarium

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    Well yeah you can listen of course if you want. But 90% of the time it's like Oprah without the fancy Oprah giveaways. You can just tell when someone is genuinely excited to share something to give back and when it's just for baseless bragging in the first line. I'm just saying there are a select people who live to waste your time, so when they post something and you try to prove them wrong it's excitement to them since they have nothing to lose but a screen name. That's why DP is losing respect, it's just a bunch of threads with lies, and the same people complaining about its state are the same ones bumping the threads. But i guess you do have to prove someone wrong before banning them :)
     
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    Agreed. This and the ability to think positively will weigh heavily on how much you bring in. You have to ignore all those little voices until you have followed through and actually tested the hell out of it and run into a brick wall (meaning that it will never work no matter what you do). From this point, move onto another project or back to a side project. Also, you have to think about how much time you're putting into the work. This is my biggest issue. What I get done is good but sometimes it seems like there is never enough time.
     
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    I totally agree with this. You have to fail and fail again and you will find something that works. There's definitely methods that work and your list of failures you need to look deeper there's money to be had.