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What SEO Factors Take Priority?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by tygrus, Jul 10, 2010.

  1. tygrus

    tygrus Supreme Member

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    Here is a list of common SEO factors when analyzing your competition;

    - url Page Rank
    - url backlinks
    - domain backlinks
    - keyword in domain
    - keyword in title
    - keyword in sub-domain
    - keyword in H1 tag

    Does any one know which factors are the strongest? For instance, is PR more important than if the keyword is in the domain, or does url backlinks come in as more important than keyword in title and so on.

    Someone please rank these in order of importance.
     
  2. mannclann

    mannclann Newbie

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    You are mixing on-page and off-page methods here and both are important.

    In my opinion it really depends on whether you are niche marketing for yourself or for clients. When doing seo for clients you rarely have the keyword in the domain but if you are niche marketing for yourself I think this is the most important factor. It should be the EXACT keyword with no other words.

    All on-page elements should be done regardless of what someone says is important. I have ranked pretty competitive keywords simply by ensuring that all on-page elements are correct. I use IBP and it is a great program to tell you what needs to be done.

    Today, backlinks are one of the most important things you can do to help rank sites so this should be near or at the top.

    I know I did not rank them for you in importance because they are all important. On-page seo is the easiest to complete, so start there and then move on to the others.
     
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    First of all, the above mentioned points are a pretty good way of judging the competition. Market Samurai shows you exactly such a list (plus some more) for top 10 competitors through its "SEO competition module".

    Being a professional SEO, I would rank them in the following order based on my own experience and results. This is for Google only as Yahoo and Bing rank websites differently.

    -URL backlinks
    -Domain backlinks
    -Keyword in title
    -Keyword in domain
    -URL page rank
    -keyword in h1 tag
    -keyword in subdomain

    I agree with what mannclann said though- it all varies depending upon the niche being promoted.
     
  4. tygrus

    tygrus Supreme Member

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    Gonna bump this old thread. Still looking for opinions on which SEO factors rank the most important.
     
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  5. MisterGemini

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    Good bump.. ya got me :)

    Well.. some of those factors I ignore entirely, while others I pay attention. Here is what I would look at:

    -URL backlinks - Important because it tells if they are doing deep linking or not. If so, with who... so I can get sum.
    -Domain backlinks - Also important. Do they have just a handful of site wide links or ones and twos from comments across forums and other places? Less domain diversity = easy pickings.
    -Keyword in title - Most important after offsite factors.
    -Keyword in URL (changed from domain, because its Irrelevant) - This is second. It's not about the domain, its about the URL.
    -Keyword in h1 tag - Third.
    -Keyword in subdomain - Irrelevant
    -URL page rank - Irrelevant

    I would add a few things:

    -Keyword in internal links - Signs of an optimizer
    -Keyword in source coding - Serious sign of a serious optimizer
    -Keyword file names - Another sign
    -Keyword in images - Relatively common, but a sign nonetheless depending on the keyword.

    That's about it. If I like what I see, they are good as gone. :) Even if I am up against an optmizer, if I see anything he/she/it missed, I will still pounce.
     
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    ipopbb Power Member

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    I still haven't found a post Caffeine SERP page 1 that isn't explainable with the 4 pillars.

    Exact Domain Match
    Dmoz Link
    # of broad keyword matches in HTML source
    and PageRank

    I've retaken everything I've lost from caffeine and moved on to taking new territories with only these four factors. It is simply the easiest incarnation of google to exploit ever. Just have to be careful to not get manually reported for violations.

    Manual reports go through automated tests and if violations are found then they get removed without a single human being at google entering the loop. If violations aren't found then they go into the mechanical turk queue. They turned everyone with an invested interest in their keywords into a free mechanical turk.
     
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  7. MisterGemini

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    Haha.. guess we know what you do with your competition :) RAT!! :p

    As for the exact domain match, we are having this discussion about this verses branding. I don't think its so much about the domain match, but more about the branding of the site and how it has branded itself. This can be accomplished with or without an exact match domain.

    I'm not sure what results you see in your area of work, but I rarely find a domain exactly matching when I research these days. There might be one in the top 10 yes, but not so much in the top 3. I believe that the idea of exact match domains is actually a factor has been misplaced, and it's actually the branding signals that determine its actual keyword ranking.

    This discussion started at this post: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...ayday-what-quality-signals-6.html#post2004534

    I know this idea would be unpopular. It sorta sucks for lots of people who have 100s of domains that I am saying are worthless without branding them. I'm just being straight about where I think things are at, and how to interpret the feedback people get from what they observe in the SERPs.

    Mister Gemini

     
  8. heffe

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    I strongly believe exact match domains work wonders. I just set up a blog network of 20 sites with exact match domains for a number of medium-tail terms in the same niche. The ones with lower competition popped right up to the first page of G within a matter of days with basically no backlinking and just a couple of unique articles posted.

    The others that had more competition started farther back, but are climbing quickly with some autoblogging and a little backlinking.