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What pisses me off about some BHW members...

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by drigger, Jun 10, 2008.

  1. drigger

    drigger Newbie

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    I have been a member here for only a short time (paranoia), but I've been visiting for several months now. And there are 2 recurring things that just irritate the shit out of me:

    1. Blackhat does not mean felony! Why do people keep insisting on asking about and doing illegal stuff here?

    2. Bashing people that contribute. For example in the member downloads area I see comments like "Those are ebooks are old" or something like that. Just shut up if you don't like what you see. There are a lot of noobs here that still think there is some value in the same rehashed information that's floating from guru to guru. They are trying to help while the bashing does nothing for anyone.

    That being said, those are my only complaints. Other than that, I think that the majority of the members here truly care about the success of the other members and that is what makes this such a valuable forum.

    Just my two cents.
     
  2. bizkiller

    bizkiller Regular Member

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    i agree with you.

    btw, i love your sig :D
     
  3. drigger

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    Thanks! Unfortunately I don't know of a way to track the clicks on it :(.
     
  4. wmitchell003

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    I agree Balckhat does not mean illegal, with that being said some black hat techniques can walk a fine line of what is and is not legal i.e. certain email marketing strategies. That is why you might see post asking about something illegal. Whats wrong with asking for advice before pursuing something that you are not 100% sure about?
     
  5. Whisker

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    I second that, welcome to the forum. :)
     
  6. shylesson

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    Agree almost, except for the fact that old and outdated ebooks really do not do much more than waste a noob's time. That's not fair to them imo. Understandably, old ebooks with the same basic concept of teaching a newbie are not as bad, but old ebooks on old methods that either don't work, are oversaturated, have been corrected (as far as loopholes and such), and the like are not going to do anything more than frustrate a newbie. I'd be frustrated to learn something that is new and innovative to me but so old and outdated that I can really get nowhere with the information. Alternatively, I could put my own spin on the information, but not always is the case. As we all know, getting in on a techinique or something new early is key oftentimes.
     
  7. MoneyMafia

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    In 3 words: Time is money. :D
     
  8. wmitchell003

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    What you also have to take into account is that new people will try to upload old ebooks, or software in an attempt to gain thanks.
     
  9. zommzoom

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    Great post. I agree with you too.

    I recently upped some stuff, some of it PLR stuff from last year by request and still there was one comments from someone saying they the stuff was old. No kidding bucko.
     
  10. interpro

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    I agree about the perception that a lot of people have. They believe that Black Hat automatically means that you're doing something that's illegal or immoral.

    If you want to see what most people think about Black Hat, just go to ezinearticles and search for black hat. Almost every article will tell you the same story - Black Hat is bad, it's dirty, it's nasty - don't ever do it, you'll rot in hell if you do.

    Essentially, I think that most of the people that are members of this forum have far better character than those 'high and mighty' internet marketing gurus that sell the rehashed bullshit to the newbies trying to get started.

    Those heartless bastards think nothing of taking the last $97 from a poor soul that's trying to learn how to become self-sufficient. I have absolutely no problem with exposing the 'gurus' and their underhanded tactics. Think about this - when was the last time you bought a product from one of the gurus that you really thought it was worth the money?

    Black Hat, in my opinion, is just using common sense in getting the best results possible. That doesn't translate to cheating people or breaking laws.

    I've had a few conversations with some of the better known gurus and you'd be surprized at the 'Black Hat' stuff they do. Of course, they'd never admit to it in public.

    If you play by the rules, at least the rules that the gurus preach, you'll probably end up going back to your day job. On the other hand, if you bend the rules a little by going Black Hat, at least you've got a fighting chance to be successful.
     
  11. MaestroDelWeb

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    I disagree. Most black hat techniques are legal, but they break TOS and things like that, but there is some stuff that is black hat and breaks laws. It's like anything else, do what you feel is right, don't step out of your comfort (risk) zone. There's a lot of black hat stuff I wouldn't do, but there is a lot of stuff that other people wouldn't do that I would do (except for e-whoring :D, which is like homosexually prostituting yourself, but if it works do it).

    There are also straight up fraudulent techniques which technically can be classified as black hat, but common sense should come into play and like I mentioned you know your risk tolerance, don't step outside of it or you could find yourself in a lot of trouble. I don't agree with (or participate in) fraud but technically it is black hat in my eyes.
     
  12. battman323

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    I agree that people attempting to contribute shouldn't be flamed - but as long as their motives are to sincerely contribute and at least they tried the search feature first.

    When it comes to moral and legal issues, that's different between people, culture, and countries. There are some things most of us can agree on but each member of this forum is going to have a different look on what is considered "black hat"

    I'm cool with black hat strategies that don't hurt customers. I don't favor scamming or frauding people, which some people may consider "black hat" but that's not cool in my book. I'm cool with pocketing cash at the expense of big fat companies that are going to pay it out anyway - I just prefer it to be to me and the means for making that happen should be the goal of black hat business in my opinion.

    But once again, it's just one opinion.
     
  13. Uptownbulker

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    You my freind, are preaching to the choir!

    Good post and thanks!

    Uptown!
     
  14. biginch

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    I agree with this whole thread. I am new to the whole internet marketing scene and without eveyone here I would be lost. I have learned more in the past month here that is more valuable to me then I have in 6 1/2 years of college. Granted it should of taken me 4 years to graduate but that is a different story.

    I have been based for some posts because I am new. Everyone in here started where I am now. Noone wakes up one morning knowing everything, it takes time. I want to be able to grow and contribute to BHW as much as I can.
     
  15. TheInternetHustler

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    you could could get a free sub domain on cekurl.com it's like tinyurl but you can customize the link and track clicks:)
     
  16. jaeden

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    blackhat is for the most part illegal. there are few blackhat techniques which aren't. intentionally breaking a TOS to get money or traffic is breaking the law. At least it is breaking a contract you agreed to which is punishable by law.

    Cheating in any way is stealing from those who arent. Blackhat doesn't mean you have a secret way of doing something that is profitable. Blackhat means you're willing to do things that are ethically/morally wrong to achieve your result.

    Why do you think we have the terms "blackhat," "greyhat," and "whitehat?" Call it whatever you want if it helps you sleep at night.

    as for where i stand, i just dont gives no phuck! muahahahahahahaha
     
  17. bigman

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    The 2nd point is so damn true. It seriously shocks me to see people with hardly any standing bashing the the real good ones on the forum who are always helping. Jobless hypocrites to the core......

    And yeah...great sig...:D ho ho ho ho ho ho
     
  18. blackhatttt

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    Ya it is true that people will often have misconception toward black hat techniques. Myself included (before I came to this forum.

    To me black hatters are better people because they are not that desperate for money because they are already making some.
     
  19. jaeden

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    ..........
     
  20. wmitchell003

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    In the word of flavor flav "Wowwwwwww!!!!!"