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What percentage of SEO services in the Service forums are worth it?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by gcgipson, Jan 24, 2013.

  1. gcgipson

    gcgipson Junior Member

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    In terms of a money site that stays on page 1 for a good while, what percentage of the SEO services, in the BH Service forum, do you think really deliver? I have this hunch that a lot of the SEO services offered will get you to page 1, but how many of them will really keep you there for an extended period of time? What is your opinion here? Thanks!
     
  2. LBrown

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    It's pretty close to impossible to know but a good way to guage the abilities of a seller is to look at their posts. If they're mostly in the lounge and posts of no substance, there's a good chance they know nothing about SEO. If they're providing a service based on their own work and they've discussed it openly and continue to take part in discussions in SEO, I'd say there's a good chance they know what they're doing.

    Someone coming in here and telling you 80% are good or 80% are bad won't help you. You need to learn how to discern who is a noob and who has knowledge and experience. The best way to discern is to have knowledge and experience yourself. When you have experience it's pretty easy to spot people who talking smack.
     
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  3. steelballs

    steelballs BANNED BANNED

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    I think your OP is a typical newbie question and I respect you for that!

    However BHW is not a forum where folks mealy mouth about having the audacity and hubris to guarantee a SEO ranking on Page 1.

    The real world of SEO does not work like that as ranking is dynamic in that all positions rise and fall in line with a raft of algorithm changes and/or SE updates...
     
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  4. BuildMoreLinks

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    To be honest with you, getting on to #1 for most keyword phrases is easy (i make it sound it so simple LOL) but staying/maintaining that rank #1 spot is difficult task. A mistake that almost everyone does is once they start to rank they will stop building links to the site and eventually take a hit.
     
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    I have a clear answer for you. Somewhere in between 0% and 100%
     
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    Exactly what LBrown said, she knows her stuff. It is impossible to say what % but what I think you are asking is what service will keep you on top and I would have to say none. If you blast the heck out of your site with direct links it may go up for a while but think of it as spinning plates, you can't stop once you start. You need to consider a lot of external factors to know how to maintain your position. I would look for packages that have great quality tier 1 links and also consider the # of links you are getting. If the service is just a series of spun dup content links over and over these will eventually get removed and your ranking will tank. If the first tier is all hand made with original content (or not total crap unreadable content) the chances of those links staying are greater. For new sites I would be concerned about keeping the direct links to $$ site at a minimum until the site ages a few months. Adding links is like adding salt to your food, too much can ruin your meal so more is not always better. Once you have a good set of tier 1 links you can start blasting those with various links but not too much or the tier 1's will get removed. As you get higher up on your tiers you can get spammier. As I mentioned earlier you have to keep the link building going once you start so maintain a pace you can afford and that offers ROI. So like Lbrown said, know your stuff and you will be able to spot the pro's vs. the noobs with link building apps that produce tons of crap. Keep your links diverse and build layers around your good quality money site and tier 1 links.
     
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    Thanks for this, very helpful!!
     
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    Thanks for the wisdom guys! This is what I have gathered so far, in terms of SEO..correct me if I am wrong somewhere...or missing something crucial:

    1. Google constantly changes it's ranking formula...thus SEO work is a never ending battle.
    2. Too many links too fast means you get deranked or sandboxed.
    3. All links are not equal, in terms of how much ranking weight they carry.
    4. Because too many links too fast leads to Sandboxing, SEO work must be "dripped" over a period of weeks or months.
    5. Keyword research is the most important first step. When it comes to Keywords, I want keywords that are:
    a. High Volume.
    b. Relevant in terms of the service or product I am selling.
    c. Has low competition.

    Am I missing something or do I have something wrong? Thanks!
     
  9. steelballs

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    For a newbie you are very knowledgeable are you sure you are not Matt Cutts in disguise

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    Impossible, because it is me.

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  11. Halilovic-Squad

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    start using the search function...
     
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    lol lol lol. But seriously, if this what you know starting out, then your definitely a pace to gain a lot more knowledge sooner than later.
     
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    Instead of relying on outsourcing to rank, you need to know how to rank all by yourself. Outsourcing is for doing what you know how to do, but don't have time for. Outsourcers are for piecing together a campaign you are in control of.

    If you put it all in the outsourcers hands, you're more than likely to fail. A proper campaign consists of many elements; good content, proper link velocity, the right kinds of links, the right kinds of anchor text. This will get you ranked. The only one who cares about you ranking is you.

    A typical outsourcer just wants to get the job done, and they don't really care if you rank or not. They're happier to spam all your links in 1 day as opposed to one week or one month, because its easier. They're happier to give you a couple anchor texts, as opposed to dozens with good niche-specific terms mixed in ... because its easier. They'll put your links on platforms they KNOW will get deleted, but they don't care ... just as long as it is there a few days after they give you the report they "did their job".

    And if you pay them lots of money, and 3 weeks later you drop out of the top 1000 ... its no skin off their teeth. Maybe you should buy another package?

    I'm not knocking link providers, this is the way it SHOULD be. If a service provider's links are applied properly, they're offering you a great service. It's up to YOU to know how to use their service. One service would be super awesome if applied to a tier 1 set of websites linking to your money site, the same service would be considered negative SEO if applied directly to your main money site. Its up to YOU to know the difference.

    Don't expect anything from a service provider aside from the links they promise. Its up to you to read, test, throw mud at the wall to see what sticks, and otherwise vet these link types so you can assemble proper linking campaigns.
     
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