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What it takes to rank, multiple adsense/Xfactor sites...I need some pointers

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by cowsgonemadd3, Dec 17, 2009.

  1. cowsgonemadd3

    cowsgonemadd3 Junior Member

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    Okay so I am about to put up a few adsense sites. I saw that people are making money with Xfactor sites and I want to try some.

    I am not talking about piece of junk sites that will get my adsense account banned but you know good articles with adsense and maybe a affiliate link and or Amazon affiliate links.

    I plan to use .info's because 100 of these sites would be like 800+ bucks a year to host with .coms not to mention you can't usually find .coms in the keywords you want.

    Now I have read the thread here:
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...-reach-my-goal-300-adsense-niche-sites-9.html

    I want to know a few things if anyone is willing to help.

    Ranking:

    Do I buy links or? Is ranking a matter of links other than using the keywords in the articles on the sites themselves a few times?

    Article length:

    How long does each article need to be? I don't want to get banned but if a 400 word article on each of the 4 pages is not needed then that would be just great.

    Back on ranking, determining keywords to even try for:

    What is the highest number I should aim for with the keyword in " " ?
    Should my goal only be 3 work keywords or is longer fine?

    If I see authority sites I know to stay away but what about sites with a PR2 or PR3?

    I just need some help because I really want to make money online and I am a diligent person but I am just running out of time. I lost my job right before march of this year and my savings are going bye bye not to mention I can't live on such a tight budget any longer.

    So help would be SOOOO awesome. I just need support is all, a guide to get me on my way.

    Something like this keyword is not worth going after??
    http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&...2&q="rapid+weight+loss+diet+"&aq=f&oq=&aqi=g6
     
  2. biks

    biks Power Member

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    I'm also making adsense/Amazon sites. When it works, I'm able to land my well researched pages in the top 10 pretty consistently. (maybe on the second page if I'm shooting for a larger keyword grouping.)

    The ONLY pages that are having a hard time ranking right off the bat are ones with .info domains and .com/.net/.org domains with dashes in between the keywords. I KNOW plenty of people say there's no difference, but I'm just tellin' ya what I'm personally noticing. Look, if you make $1 a day with these types of sites, then you'll recoup your investment in only a couple of weeks. THE SITE WILL BE MAKING MONEY FOR YEARS. I'm at a point where if I can't get at least a .org domain, then screw it.

    How long your keyword is, is irrelevant. RESEARCH like hell for the right keyword and you'll rank. I have one keyword domain that's six letters long. It's presently #1 and does so-so traffic. Usually it's gonna be around 3 words long.

    Market Samurai. Learn it, use it.
     
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  3. smokingblowjoe

    smokingblowjoe Newbie

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    I have been thinking about .info domains too. Sometimes I am at a loss why info domains do not rank well even when I work hard on backlinks. I keep reading other people having success with .info I am not sure yet if it really has to do with that extension.

    Maybe it has something to do with competition. If keyword.org, keyword.com,keyword.net and keywords without dashes are already taken your only real choice is info. especially if the kw domain has already 3 to 4 words on it.

    This leads me to think that if all options are taken then the competition must be extremely high. I've been doing some preliminary testing on two .info vs a .com of similar micro niches.. and this is what I have been seeing so far.
     
  4. cowsgonemadd3

    cowsgonemadd3 Junior Member

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    Okay well .info's will work, they just may require more backlinks. Regardless another question is you find a keyword you want to target but you can't get the phrase in the .com but you can get another similar less competitive one instead.

    Do you still aim to rank for the one you originally wanted or does the domain keywords really matter that much?

    Godaddy is having a 99 cent .com sale.....
     
  5. biks

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    The domain keywords matter that much. Exact order. We're talking about small niches here. (100 exact searches a day?) I've wasted months of my life trying to get sites to rank that were a re-order of a keyword domain. Lemme give an example that I've created.

    I was pitching a cheesy CPA weight loss product called Guarana Pure. I knew the keyword with the most searches was "guarana weight loss". All the domains were taken. I then bought "weightlossguarana.com" I figured as long as all the keywords were in the domain, then I'd rank pretty good. Nope.

    If you do a search on Google for "weight loss guarana", I show up on the first page at #10. Guess what? Hardly anybody searches for guarana in that order. Nobody ever goes to the site. You'll see that I'm no where to be found if you search for "guarana weight loss". Google keyword tools say THIS is the main way people search for the stuff. I've made shit and wasted all my efforts.

    Now...if you have the motivation to build back links over the course of months, then you can rank ANY domain for a particular keyword. You will be making ZERO dollars while doing all this back linking though. You can always start with a domain that at least gets a little bit of hits, then "flesh out" other keywords by taking the time to create back links with those keywords in the anchor text.
     
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  6. callmelucid

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    submit w/e articles you want to ezine and goarticles. in the bottom section, insert two backlinks in the about author section.

    i just ordered up 100 backlinking articles so i'm going to test with a few of my sites to see what keywords need how many articles
     
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    You can use anywhere from 1-5 keywords in " ". But, if you use Longer keywords, then make sure that there are people searching for your Specific Long Tail Keyword.

    Two or three 250-500 Articles on each page of your website should do the job for you. Remember to stuff the articles with your Main keywords 3-4 times.
     
  8. cowsgonemadd3

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    Here is one of those Xfactor sites:
    http://autowindowshades.com/

    Simple enough design...

    As for ranking one fast??? What are the steps required once I find a keyword? I need a gameplan here guys. I am getting really desperate because I have been at this online money making stuff for months now(since I lost my job mid Feb this year) and I struggle to make 400 a month and usually it is less than that.

    You would be a big help if your advice got me to making even 30 bucks a day. Not even Kidding. I got all the time it will take too(jobless as I said).
     
  9. biks

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    You'll rank fast as long as you researched and selected correctly. If I've done it right, and when my site gets finally indexed (5-6 days) I'll see it on either page 1 or 2 of Google. A little back like nudge outta do the rest.

    Note: for some inexplicable reason, some sites seem to get chucked in the sand box and then you gotta wait. 8 out of 10 usually stick.

    Game plan: steal the Xfactor layout and get building damnit!
     
  10. cowsgonemadd3

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    Okay what is the MAX in " " that you should target for a keyword with these type of sites? Thanks!!
     
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    just keep building. you won't get anything perfect the first time at it.

    you won't understand and learn it until you make the mistake.

    build more sites, practice building backlinks. Try everything, so you yourself know what it does.
     
  13. cowsgonemadd3

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    Well see I don't have a lot of time left to do this because I lost my job and my savings are shrinking. I just need a idea of what keywords I can and can not target by competition numbers in " ".
    Thanks
     
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    Well, instead of trying to figure out how many searches in quotes can you overtake with an exact domain name - it would be better if you analyze the backlinks of some of the top urls/sites. The kind of backlinks they have and how you would be able to overtake them.

    From my experience wherever you see in 7 digit figures for a keyword google search, you can easily overtake them with a little linkbuilding.

    Your efforts should go into trying to get exact domain names (.net and .com's) which have a high number of searches.
     
  15. deth_by_uv

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    I don't know why everyone does it, but you should really start steering clear of researching competition in "QUOTES". That tells you nothing about whether you can make your way into page 1 or not. If you want something more accurate, then use the allintitle:

    Next, you want to look at the competition on page 1 and determine:
    1. the PR, look for keywords where there are at least 2-3 PR0 sites/pages listed
    2. look for weak onpage/onsite seo
    3. check that there are at least 3 pages that have less than 50 backlinks

    If you can find the above three factors, then there is a pretty good chance that you will be able to crack into the top 10. You can use Market Samurai (heard it's here in the download section, but I use legit version) to help you with what I just described above. If your savings are dwindling, hope you are looking for another job because it can be weeks before you start to earn with this method. Expect most of your sites to "fail" while a small handful do well.
     
  16. cowsgonemadd3

    cowsgonemadd3 Junior Member

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    I still have a few months worth of savings and I do earn money somewhat online. Just saying my savings are going down and so is my patience for this.

    How much competition do you look for with allintitle: ?

    I bought 3 .info domain names tonight and one .com(got it for 99 cents). I am trying to get my first site up tonight but I can't find a good template. Xsitepro's default templates look bad.
     
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    I would stay away from .info domains. Just think about how many of them you see in top search results. Reason probably is they are cheap so people spam or make weak sites from them just for adsense.
     
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    With allintitle results I would say that about 20,000 or less is something most people say most of the time. Obviously, the less the better. I personally started looking for 1000 or less just to see if I can find any super, low hanging fruit. But in my opinion anything under 10,000 should be a good keyword to explore further.

    .info's...I'm so up in the air about those nowadays. I have mixed results, some good, and some not so good. But I did notice that as someone else already stated that .com, .net, .org have far greater potential to rank high pretty quickly without doing any backlinking work. Experiment and see if it works for you cause I see some people who seem to have promising results with .info's.
     
  19. cowsgonemadd3

    cowsgonemadd3 Junior Member

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    Yes, I have heard some stuff but then I know a guy who uses .info's to make Amazon niche sites and he ranks them just fine. He says they rank just as good as .coms for him. He buys and sells domain names for a living and has just started making niche sites and he is already off to a great start.

    They made need a few more links or just some more time but they will work, I mean why not?

    We are looking to rank on low competition keywords not "buy a laptop" or anything.

    Here is the problem, everyone tells me for this to work you have to have your keyword in the exact order in the domain. Almost all of the good .coms are taken, not to mention buying 100 .com's at even 7+ bucks is expensive. Not to mention the renewal costs yearly.

    I figure I can start with .info's and see how it goes because it will be cheap. If I make money I can invest that money into .com's IF they work better/ are needed.

    I just checked tonight with the allintitle: for the niche .com domain I bought and while in " " the keyword is not so bad with the allintitle: it has over 130k!

    The competition does not look bad though because I think I remember seeing a craigslist posting on page 2 so that is why I wanted to try it. Plus the phrase gets over 18,000 searches a month and over 20k local(no idea why local is more).
     
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    I will only say this once.

    DO NOT, EVER, EVER, IN YOUR LIFE, USE A .INFO DOMAIN!

    IT'S NOT WORTH THAT $2 SAVING.