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What is the typical DP+WSO+etc sales volume

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by judson, Aug 6, 2011.

  1. judson

    judson Power Member

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    I have a couple of ideas for some 30+ page ebooks. I have some ideas sketched out as I have been teaching a couple of friends about IM.

    Don't have the patience to be 'Guru' with preSales, list building and all that other stuff. Audio and video to repeat the same content in the book also bores me.

    I do think the books might have appeal on a site like DP or both WFs though.

    Just wondering if anyone has had experience selling ebooks there.

    What is the typical sales volume.

    Somehow, I am not convinced any of those books ever sells more than a dozen copies. Or am I missing something?
     
  2. saveferris

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    I've launched several WSOs. Two did okay, the third made WSO of the Day and has sold almost 300 copies so far. However, this was before the post/bump fee was doubled to $40. Unless you have something really interesting/new or you're an established name, it's really hard to make any money with a WSO because of all the competition and ridiculous fees.
     
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    Hi SaveFerris,

    Out of interest, what sort of sales figures did you get for the two which "did OK"? Are we talking 50-plus? Or was it much less than that?

    Cheers,
    SneakySnake. :)
     
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    I also launched couple of WSOs ,the second one was ruined by a guy who pretend to be 'adsense guru', basically he bought my product and ask for a refund in public saying that he doesn't understands it and it's not his game bla bla bla .... Because of this I didn't do very well and lost money. I would try to avoid warriorforum for the future. It's just full with ignorant people who pretend to have some knowledge,but in fact they know nothing. Be very careful when launching WSO and in my opinion try get some reviews prior the launch otherwise you might find that it's not worth the efforts.Good luck!
     
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    One was a low-priced WSO (less than $10) and has sold 70+ copies over time, but I only bumped it once. I would have to get 3 or more sales to justify a bump and I wasn't making much profit. Now I would have to get 6 or more sales to cover a bump.

    Another was a higher-priced WSO (more than $30), which also sold 70+ copies but had many more bumps.

    Seems the sweet spot is in the mid-range WSO ($10-20). But since bumping is so expensive, you have to be very careful with your timing and testing. If you launch a WSO it will stay available until you cancel the offer. So you may get sales years after the launch. I still get sales but do nothing to promote the WSOs... I suppose people are finding them through search or something.

    If you're active in the forum and help people with their problems, you'll get exposure in your signature. I think that does more than a $40 bump, which only gets you on the top of the first page for a few hours at most. Within 24 hours, you're back on page 3.
     
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    Thanks very much Ferris - that's extremely helpful.

    Yes, I agree that being an active participant and advertising via your sig blurb is undoubtedly the best way of promoting your products on WF... It's just that every time I set foot in that forum, the sheer level of toxic insincerity there makes me want to burn my own face off with sulphuric acid. I don't think I could 'live' there without going on a killing spree sooner or later. :rolleyes:
     
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    spirt+ferris

    Thank you both for your input. The reason I ask is that I see so many people recommending ebook writing for sale on DP to newbies.

    Everytime I see a sales thread there though, all you have is a lot of requests for review copies, a lot of posts wondering why nobody has posted a review, and a lot of "only $5 for 5 more sales" posts from the thread owners.

    I am not convince many ebooks on DP sell more than 10 paid copies. Ever. WF is so expensive now for listings, that I think I missed the boat with the ebook.
     
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    I have the same concerns about both DP & WF. DP in particular has always looked to me like a bunch of pigeons scrambling for crumbs, each one desperate to get something for nothing.

    I suspect that the only way to make really good money from an ebook launch (particularly as you don't want to go down the route of list-building) is to find someone with an established list of their own and JV with them. This will obviously require a certain amount of schmoozing.

    How about contacting a few Ezine owners, or people who have moderately successful blogs within your target niche? See if you can do a straight 50/50% profit-sharing deal with them if they will promote it to their readers.
     
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  9. judson

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    I am kinda busy raising capital (writing articles) the slow way, so I can fund another venture (offline and small business websites and SEO).

    When I have that out of the way though, I want to try and sell a book on Amazon.

    I think if you put in a bit of effort, you can blackhat the hell out of Amazon (reviews, SEO on sales pages, advertising in lists etc).

    Either way, I am sure the ROI on an ebook sold on Amazon, plus the street cred from being a published author, will do more than selling on DP and WF.
     
  10. judson

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    Mmmmm, thinking about it, I think I will look into self publishing on Amazon.

    One of the things I am working on is a free ebook that I was going to use to drive leads for offline sales. ***

    I am thinking that if the book is published on Amazon, potential customers will take me more seriously.

    *** The full plan is a story for another thread, but I will be targetting local businesses and home business owners that already advertise in the press and in the dead trees (paper) yellow pages.

    The customers I am targetting are those who have a blahblah@gmail.com or thisthat@hotmail.com email address in their adverts.

    I figure they already
    a. Are online and use email
    b. Appreciate the value of paying for advertising/marketing

    Such people (I hope) will be more willing to take on a service that provicdes a simple websites, complete with a @mybiz.com email address (free via Google Apps). I am not even going to be selling the SEO side of things. That is going to be an additional upsell later.

    The book they are getting is on online marketing for small and home businesses. It emphasises why a simple website is better than a complicated and expensive one ... I already have about 40 pages done. The book does say "Hire me", but is useful even if they go with another web developer.
     
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    You're right about the street cred. Even if you just break even on your Amazon efforts, you'll have immense credibility for any online stuff you do under the same name. There's a huge difference between doing a site-launch or product launch as "Judson"
    ... versus ...
    Judson: Author of "How To Win Friends And Blackhat People".

    There's one guy I can think of who I'm CERTAIN makes a loss on his self-published paperback (which he sells at a rock-bottom price through Amazon)... but the entire book is basically a cleverly constructed marketing piece for his $1000 weekend workshops and seminars, where he rakes in the REAL money.
     
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    Yup - Going back to your earlier point which you hinted at: if you can "control" the reviews you receive on Amazon (wink wink), you can use the entire Amazon salespage as a very subtle marketing tool for your other services too.

    ie, When you're dealing with prospective Offline clients, encourage them to check out your Amazon page, where by sheer coincidence they will happily stumble across 20 or 30 reviews which will effectively function as testimonials for whatever service you're selling. You can get away with saying WHATEVER YOU WANT ABOUT YOURSELF, under the guise of an anonymous third party reviewer.

    You could also offer some kind of incentive for people to leave you a review. (Clients who buy and review your book qualify for something else: an exclusive private report, or a glow in the dark toothbrush, or whatever. Obviously you're highly likely to get GLOWING reviews, because they're anxious to get the free gift.) ;)
     
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    Totally agree!
     
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    amazon kindle self publishing was quite profitable for me,but not anymore as I was lazy and was selling plenty of PLR stuff :)
    Got email the other day that they are removing books with similar content,title etc.
    Have to think about something else know