What is the hardest part of running Facebook ads for you?

jul3s

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As the title says, I'm curious to know what is the hardest part of running Facebook ads for you.

Is it:
- scaling,
- retargeting,
- finding the right audience,
- analyzing stats,
- other?

This will give me an idea to share more topic-related content based on my experience with Facebook ads.
 
Finding the right audience and analyzing the data.
Actually, it almost always takes a good deal of money before I find a winning audience.
 
You're a beast @jul3s , thanks for sharing you knowledge with the community. For me, it's finding the right audience and the creatives.
 
Can you write about the reasons for the rejection of advertising on fb?
 
These are few -

Ad Fatigue
Finding Right Audience
Generating Quality Leads
Lead Velocity - Sometime Facebook Delivers leads with less CPL but sometime with highest. Most of the time I keep on running the ads because eventually Issue get settled their own.
 
Finding the right audience is the hardest. Once you find something that converts you can optimize it / scale it at your own pace.
 
Finding the right audience and analyzing the data.
Actually, it almost always takes a good deal of money before I find a winning audience.

You're a beast @jul3s , thanks for sharing you knowledge with the community. For me, it's finding the right audience and the creatives.

These are few -

Ad Fatigue
Finding Right Audience
Generating Quality Leads
Lead Velocity - Sometime Facebook Delivers leads with less CPL but sometime with highest. Most of the time I keep on running the ads because eventually Issue get settled their own.

Testing when entering a new niche is always the hardest part for me.

Finding the right audience is the hardest. Once you find something that converts you can optimize it / scale it at your own pace.

Interesting. The majority of my clients have problems with profitable scaling and retargeting.
Does anyone care to share how you do your audience research? I guess this will be my first share in the following days :)


Retargeting, it is quite hard to stalk a female if she blocks you first

I think you have other problems here, not related to FB ads :D


Can you write about the reasons for the rejection of advertising on fb?

There are a thousand reasons for bans and rejections and can easily depend on your account, ad spend, country, IP, used words, past activities, etc. Some accounts can do a ton of gray hat stuff and never have problems, while others get banned instantly. There is no way to gather a list that would help.
 
Thanks @jul3s for this. My question is this: I want to start a Facebook ad to get direct clicks to my website on an event starting in the next 24 hours, please is there anything I should know to make it successful from the beginning?
 
Finding the right audience and analyzing the data.
Actually, it almost always takes a good deal of money before I find a winning audience.
This is exactly my pain point as well! It takes quite a lot of time and money before I hit upon a winning ad set. I'm pretty sure my audience finding methods could improve leaps and bounds and I would greatly appreciate it if you could share your thoughts on this @jul3s .

Cheers! :)
 
Thanks @jul3s for this. My question is this: I want to start a Facebook ad to get direct clicks to my website on an event starting in the next 24 hours, please is there anything I should know to make it successful from the beginning?

Time is not on your side :D Ads need at least 24-48hours to start optimizing. Do you have any past data, audience from past events, website visitors, anything?


This is exactly my pain point as well! It takes quite a lot of time and money before I hit upon a winning ad set. I'm pretty sure my audience finding methods could improve leaps and bounds and I would greatly appreciate it if you could share your thoughts on this @jul3s.

Yes, finding a perfect audience takes time/money, especially with small budgets. I often see people going way too big, targeting millions with $10/day budget.

Share your approach with us, and maybe we can point out what to change/improve/test/do differently. I will share my approach in the following days.
 
Thanks @jul3s

I'll explain what I did recently trying to run FB ads.

The products were bookish merchandise - mugs, tees, gifts, etc. that appeal to people who are crazy about reading books.

My initial settings were as follows:

Ad Set Optimized for: Conversion - through website pixel
Budget: $5 / day (approx. equivalent in local currency)
Exclude website past 90 days visitors
Age: all
Gender: all
Detailed Targeting: Interests - Haruki Murakami, Orhan Pamuk, Salman Rushdie or Gabriel García Márquez
(I figured if people have liked these profiles, they are likely to be serious readers and not readers of generic and casual books)

Manual Placements: Only on Fb and Insta feeds on all devices

When you get charged: Impressions (it's a new ad account so pay per click is still not available for me)

I saw okay results after having run this ad set for 2.5 days. The ROAS was around 1~1.3

I looked into Analytics and saw that 3 of the 4 sales had come from Women above 35 years of age.

RY1tKaE


So for the next ad set, I kept everything the same and added:

Age: 35+
Gender: Women Only

I was expecting this to perform much better but alas, this had hardly a handful of clicks and zero add to carts and purchases at the end of the first day. I had already spent a good amount of money with zero profits and so stopped all ads after that.

I wanted to test with other authors, other age groups, etc. but the rate at which the ads were eating my money was alarming and I didn't have the confidence to continue.

This was actually my latest try at Fb Ads and I've previously had a few similar tries with it in the past. None of my attempts have given me profitable results.

From the half results that I see in these campaigns, I understand that the ads can definitely be made profitable. My products are good and convert well. I know this because the same products sell well on Amazon, so I think it's just my FB ad method and approach that is at fault.

Would love to hear your thoughts on my approach and insight into what I could do better when I try next.

Thanks again for taking the time to help fellow BHWers @jul3s

Cheers! :)
Armur
 
Thanks @jul3s

I'll explain what I did recently trying to run FB ads.

The products were bookish merchandise - mugs, tees, gifts, etc. that appeal to people who are crazy about reading books.

My initial settings were as follows:

Ad Set Optimized for: Conversion - through website pixel
Budget: $5 / day (approx. equivalent in local currency)
Exclude website past 90 days visitors
Age: all
Gender: all
Detailed Targeting: Interests - Haruki Murakami, Orhan Pamuk, Salman Rushdie or Gabriel García Márquez
(I figured if people have liked these profiles, they are likely to be serious readers and not readers of generic and casual books)

Manual Placements: Only on Fb and Insta feeds on all devices

When you get charged: Impressions (it's a new ad account so pay per click is still not available for me)

I saw okay results after having run this ad set for 2.5 days. The ROAS was around 1~1.3

I looked into Analytics and saw that 3 of the 4 sales had come from Women above 35 years of age.

RY1tKaE


So for the next ad set, I kept everything the same and added:

Age: 35+
Gender: Women Only

I was expecting this to perform much better but alas, this had hardly a handful of clicks and zero add to carts and purchases at the end of the first day. I had already spent a good amount of money with zero profits and so stopped all ads after that.

I wanted to test with other authors, other age groups, etc. but the rate at which the ads were eating my money was alarming and I didn't have the confidence to continue.

This was actually my latest try at Fb Ads and I've previously had a few similar tries with it in the past. None of my attempts have given me profitable results.

From the half results that I see in these campaigns, I understand that the ads can definitely be made profitable. My products are good and convert well. I know this because the same products sell well on Amazon, so I think it's just my FB ad method and approach that is at fault.

Would love to hear your thoughts on my approach and insight into what I could do better when I try next.

Thanks again for taking the time to help fellow BHWers @jul3s

Cheers! :)
Armur


There are a few things I would try which I call 'stupid-simple' because they don't make sense, but might work :) Always keep in mind that everything is connected, and equally important. Those that focus only on ads are making a huge mistake.

#1 Interests
First, targeting interests in the US is completely different than the rest of the world. Unfortunately, gathering that data was never important enough for FB, especially outside the US and EU and the EU has too many restrictions that it would be worth for them to do it.

So you will have to use common sense while targeting interests, and know you are restricting the audience, and leaving a lot of people outside. In your case, I wouldn't focus on just a few interests and would research and check if the big bookstores, publishing companies, authors, anything that would interest someone in your niche could be targeted.

Audience Insights won't give you correct numbers but will give you an idea of who the audience is, what gender and age so you could avoid right from the start to target everyone. You can target everyone once you have a bigger budget and can leave the ads running for a few days, but definitely not with $5/day.

The most important thing that the majority don't know or understand is that every time you create a campaign you hit a certain pool of people, and will NEVER get everyone. That's why it doesn't usually work when you analyze the data and create a new ad set with age/gender that worked in another ad set. Again, every time you publish an ad set you will hit a certain pool of people. Will there be people interested in your offer? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe there are a ton of other advertisers that day that will get a higher quality audience, or show them better ads, with better offer/product, etc.

A simple thing that I always test and sounds a little bit stupid is that I duplicate the ad set that worked 3-5 times, change the age/gender/placement (whatever that worked), and run them on a small budget and keep an eye on them through the day. Once they spend a certain amount of budget I analyze CTR, ATC, IC, ... and act accordingly. At least one of them will perform because all of them are most likely targeting different people. I know this sounds weird, but it works 90% of the time :)


#2 Budget
You know that $5/day is nothing in ecom, especially targeting such a broad audience. This budget might work with a smaller audience. Try an ad set where you use 'Must also match' option and stack up the best possible interests and see what happens. Again, this might not work outside of the US.

I understand that the majority can't afford bigger budgets at the beginning, but you must understand that this is not how you will be able to compete with others and make this successful. In order to spend more, you have to make more.

Those that can spend more to acquire a customer win!
So how do you do it?
Besides focusing on improving your ads, testing, etc. you have to invest time to improve your conversion rate and average order value ALL THE TIME. I can't stress this enough. Small tweaks can bring you at least 20% higher AOV which will help you with testing more ads, pushing more traffic, making more money, and repeat again :)

To get high CR you first must send the right traffic, have an appealing product page and description, your site must be trustworthy, think about free shipping, etc. For higher AOV create product bundles (more of the same product with discount), 2-3 related product bundles that they can't find anywhere else, use post-purchase upsells/downsells and always keep in mind that just because you are done selling that doesn't mean they are done buying :)


#3 Retargeting
Most people don’t buy on the first visit. To boost your sales, you have to set up campaigns and remind them about your offer. 90% of the time retargeting campaigns will bring you the highest ROAS, better CTR, lower CPC, and of course, low CPA.

Customers came to the site for different reasons, and they visit different products/categories. The pages they visit represent different interests.

If you set up a simple retargeting campaign on Facebook, Google, you will cover 80-90% of the internet. Don't overthink. Start small and build up things; you don't have to be everywhere right from the start.

A few important things:
  • Don't include everyone in your campaigns. Create different audiences and retarget them based on where in the buying process they are.
  • Frequency. This is important. You don't want people to get annoyed by seeing your ads multiple times per day and think you are desperate.

Best audiences to retarget:
  • All-time visitors or visitors of a specific page (Non-buyers)
  • Anyone who engaged with your Facebook page/IG/watched a video
  • People who abandoned cart
  • Your email list/customer file
  • Existing customers (Buyers)

Two must-have retargeting campaigns that can be implemented very quickly (low-hanging fruits ready to be collected):
  • Facebook Dynamic Ads - to remind them of what they visited. In order to run this, you need to set up a product catalog first. Shopify/Wocommerce has plugins that can help with that. To improve conversions of your bestsellers, create a custom image/video.
  • Google Dynamic Remarketing - similar to FB Dynamic ads. Include images, and bid more on visitors that are further in the funnel (like ATC).


#3 Lookalike audiences
Lookalike Audiences are performing very well lately, especially in the competitive markets. Always test as many LAA's as you can and stack them to improve targeting or use them to narrow down broad audience.

Below is a list of Lookalike audiences that can improve your targeting:
  • LAA of higher spenders → import a CSV of top spenders OR use an LTV option directly under custom audience, and create an LAA.
  • LAA of Buyers, IC, ATC, website visitors
  • LAA of email subscribers → import CSV file and create LAA.
  • LAA of people who spend time on your site → create an audience based on Visitors By Time Spent/Top 25% and create an LAA.
  • LAA of people who watched at least 75% video.
  • LAA of everyone who engaged with your post or ad in the last year.
  • LAA of Facebook fans.

I hope this helps! :)
 
There are a few things I would try which I call 'stupid-simple' because they don't make sense, but might work :) Always keep in mind that everything is connected, and equally important. Those that focus only on ads are making a huge mistake.

#1 Interests
First, targeting interests in the US is completely different than the rest of the world. Unfortunately, gathering that data was never important enough for FB, especially outside the US and EU and the EU has too many restrictions that it would be worth for them to do it.

So you will have to use common sense while targeting interests, and know you are restricting the audience, and leaving a lot of people outside. In your case, I wouldn't focus on just a few interests and would research and check if the big bookstores, publishing companies, authors, anything that would interest someone in your niche could be targeted.

Audience Insights won't give you correct numbers but will give you an idea of who the audience is, what gender and age so you could avoid right from the start to target everyone. You can target everyone once you have a bigger budget and can leave the ads running for a few days, but definitely not with $5/day.

The most important thing that the majority don't know or understand is that every time you create a campaign you hit a certain pool of people, and will NEVER get everyone. That's why it doesn't usually work when you analyze the data and create a new ad set with age/gender that worked in another ad set. Again, every time you publish an ad set you will hit a certain pool of people. Will there be people interested in your offer? Maybe, maybe not. Maybe there are a ton of other advertisers that day that will get a higher quality audience, or show them better ads, with better offer/product, etc.

A simple thing that I always test and sounds a little bit stupid is that I duplicate the ad set that worked 3-5 times, change the age/gender/placement (whatever that worked), and run them on a small budget and keep an eye on them through the day. Once they spend a certain amount of budget I analyze CTR, ATC, IC, ... and act accordingly. At least one of them will perform because all of them are most likely targeting different people. I know this sounds weird, but it works 90% of the time :)


#2 Budget
You know that $5/day is nothing in ecom, especially targeting such a broad audience. This budget might work with a smaller audience. Try an ad set where you use 'Must also match' option and stack up the best possible interests and see what happens. Again, this might not work outside of the US.

I understand that the majority can't afford bigger budgets at the beginning, but you must understand that this is not how you will be able to compete with others and make this successful. In order to spend more, you have to make more.

Those that can spend more to acquire a customer win!
So how do you do it?
Besides focusing on improving your ads, testing, etc. you have to invest time to improve your conversion rate and average order value ALL THE TIME. I can't stress this enough. Small tweaks can bring you at least 20% higher AOV which will help you with testing more ads, pushing more traffic, making more money, and repeat again :)

To get high CR you first must send the right traffic, have an appealing product page and description, your site must be trustworthy, think about free shipping, etc. For higher AOV create product bundles (more of the same product with discount), 2-3 related product bundles that they can't find anywhere else, use post-purchase upsells/downsells and always keep in mind that just because you are done selling that doesn't mean they are done buying :)


#3 Retargeting
Most people don’t buy on the first visit. To boost your sales, you have to set up campaigns and remind them about your offer. 90% of the time retargeting campaigns will bring you the highest ROAS, better CTR, lower CPC, and of course, low CPA.

Customers came to the site for different reasons, and they visit different products/categories. The pages they visit represent different interests.

If you set up a simple retargeting campaign on Facebook, Google, you will cover 80-90% of the internet. Don't overthink. Start small and build up things; you don't have to be everywhere right from the start.

A few important things:
  • Don't include everyone in your campaigns. Create different audiences and retarget them based on where in the buying process they are.
  • Frequency. This is important. You don't want people to get annoyed by seeing your ads multiple times per day and think you are desperate.

Best audiences to retarget:
  • All-time visitors or visitors of a specific page (Non-buyers)
  • Anyone who engaged with your Facebook page/IG/watched a video
  • People who abandoned cart
  • Your email list/customer file
  • Existing customers (Buyers)

Two must-have retargeting campaigns that can be implemented very quickly (low-hanging fruits ready to be collected):
  • Facebook Dynamic Ads - to remind them of what they visited. In order to run this, you need to set up a product catalog first. Shopify/Wocommerce has plugins that can help with that. To improve conversions of your bestsellers, create a custom image/video.
  • Google Dynamic Remarketing - similar to FB Dynamic ads. Include images, and bid more on visitors that are further in the funnel (like ATC).


#3 Lookalike audiences
Lookalike Audiences are performing very well lately, especially in the competitive markets. Always test as many LAA's as you can and stack them to improve targeting or use them to narrow down broad audience.

Below is a list of Lookalike audiences that can improve your targeting:
  • LAA of higher spenders → import a CSV of top spenders OR use an LTV option directly under custom audience, and create an LAA.
  • LAA of Buyers, IC, ATC, website visitors
  • LAA of email subscribers → import CSV file and create LAA.
  • LAA of people who spend time on your site → create an audience based on Visitors By Time Spent/Top 25% and create an LAA.
  • LAA of people who watched at least 75% video.
  • LAA of everyone who engaged with your post or ad in the last year.
  • LAA of Facebook fans.

I hope this helps! :)
Wow, thank you so much for taking the time to write the detailed guide @jul3s!! This is absolutely awesome. Really appreciate it :)

I'm saving this and going to try implementing your recommendations one by one based on how applicable it will be to my campaigns. Will keep you posted on the progress here.

Cheers! :)
 
It's for Mark Zucc to leave me alone and let me make money.
 
Wow, thank you so much for taking the time to write the detailed guide @jul3s!! This is absolutely awesome. Really appreciate it :)

I'm saving this and going to try implementing your recommendations one by one based on how applicable it will be to my campaigns. Will keep you posted on the progress here.

Cheers! :)

No problem! I hope it helps. Please do keep us updated. As long as you start implementing things you will be 99% ahead of everyone else :)



It's for Mark Zucc to leave me alone and let me make money.

Oh, we all wish that. If nothing else, Mark will one day put me in a grave with his algorithm changes :D
 
No problem! I hope it helps. Please do keep us updated. As long as you start implementing things you will be 99% ahead of everyone else :)





Oh, we all wish that. If nothing else, Mark will one day put me in a grave with his algorithm changes :D
lmfaao , he already did put me in the grave but hey if he thinks he's gonna stop us from making money he's wrong.
 
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