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What is the best spinning software for bulk spinning that makes natural results?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by -FPC-, Dec 7, 2011.

  1. -FPC-

    -FPC- Regular Member

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    I've noticed that my results with TBS are less than stellar and I need something I can use to bulk-spin articles that produces results that make sense.

    Can anyone recommend something?

    Please give reasons not just, "X software is the best" as that doesn't help anyone.
     
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    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    Bulk spinning and makes sense? Lol:18:
     
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    It's not impossible. It would just require grammatical syntactical analysis and not just synonym analysis.
     
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    Expertpeon Elite Member

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    Yeah............
    whenever you find your magic sentence generator let me know
     
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    Well thanks for your sarcastic posts, you're truly adding something meaningful to this discussion.
     
  6. MagicMike

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    I've been testing this out and have had fairly good results with it... might be worth a try.

    Code:
    [B]http://www.spinrewriter.com/ [/B]
     
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    Sorry. Hard to be serious when someones hunting for unicorns
     
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    I tried that when it launched and I wasn't really impressed.
     
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    (SR) Spin Rewriter dot com is more hype than type. :(

    I performed a comparative analysis with their application versus TBS and SpinChimp and SR failed way short. I ended up cancelling my service with them. The hype about being 20 years ahead of the competition is a friggin joke. If a company is going to make such claims, they need to back it up. The truth is, they are behind way TBS and SpinChimp.

    That said, if you are looking for push button magical spinning, how about buy my automatic push button website script. All you need to do is put in the niche and it will automatically perform your keyword research, build your website from scratch in HTML 5, scrape content and spin the content, then upload your site, get it indexed within three hours and then drip feed backlinks over the next nine months. It will do all of this with the click of your mouse! :D

    It's 3o years ahead of the competition and it will only cost you $999.99 per website, LOL... cash up front - of course and no refunds. Please allow one week for your site to be completed.

    The point being, there is no spinning software that can produce content that is readable and makes complete sense at the push of a button. Of all of the applications we have tested, SpinChimp comes the closest but still requires human editing.
     
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    spinnerchief elite version claims to be able to spin readable content with their "Miracle Thesaurus" but I still need to read some reviews on this one.
     
  11. aj113

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    You are correct, although it is much easier to say than to develop! If it were easy to write code for this function, there would already be software available, but the absence of such software tells you just how difficult the task is. Having said that, I can tell you that we are indeed working on such a tool - although it will be a few weeks before it is available for testing.

    In the meantime, as has already been suggested, you could try SpinnerChief's batch function tied in with the Miracle thesaurus, which spins to human readable level. Although I will say that the Miracle Thesaurus is probably only good for one spin of an article, not multiple spins, so if you want multiple articles when using the Miracle Thesaurus, the best way is to spin multiple seed articles once only - as opposed to spinning one article multiple times.
     
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    Exactly: grammatical syntactical analysis and not just synonym analysis.

    Currently, even SpinChimp at its default state can only spin at 10% spun in its 'best' format. Yes, these auto spins make sense, but 10% spun is nowhere near enough. However, for the price you pay for most spinning software, you can NOT expect auto generated unique, grammatically correct content. A spinning software is there to offer all the functionality to spin; it's not an analyser of grammar, sentence structure or even proper synonym placement. Yes, they have built in thesaurus but that's just for you to start. I paid, what, 15 bucks for SpinChimp - do I expect 90% unique, grammatically perfect auto generated content at the click of one button? Hell no. I have to work for it. Currently I am manually inserting my own synonyms for approximately 3000 most common english words and all their derivative forms (e.g. go, goes, going, gone, went etc.) with extreme caution as most words can have more than one meaning depending on context. With some words, it's relatively straightforward. With other words, it's a nightmare and very tricky to insert any synonyms which wouldn't screw things up. Auto generation of unique, grammatically correct content is no laughing matter, it's a huge project that makes my head spin even at the synonym level as I am doing. Changing sentence structure correctly in addition to correct synonym analysis would be a game changer. Unfortunately with all due respect I do not believe any "Miracle thesaurus". Not because I think SpinChimp is better than Chief, but because it is NOT that easy. TBS is a lump of shite and should really be discarded as it produces garbage. This is because a 'user edited' thesaurus doesn't mean that it will produce correct results. Those who edit the thesarus, regular BHW and WF users, don't stop to THINK about the different contexts in which every single word can be used. What is required is someone with a profound grasp of the english language to systematically go through every word in the language and add synonyms as much as possible, while preserving grammatical correctness as number one priority. For SE's, grammatical correctness > uniqueness , so if a word has a shitload of different meanings that would mess up the syntax in certain contexts, then it can't have synonyms. While manually adding synonyms you have to run through every single context in which the word can be used, and check that the synonyms you add would also make grammatical sense (but not necessarily semantic sense!) in the same context.

    Personally, I would pay $500 for a software that provided auto spins over 60% spun content, spun with lots of synonyms, all grammatically correct. However this is extremely difficult and although a lot of work has gone into SpinChief, I am not sure they would go to those extreme lengths to provide such a 'miracle' thesaurus. I don't expect them to. In my opinion, it is up to YOU, the user, to develop your own thesaurus, craft it, hack at it, sculpt it like your own statue. The spinning software is only the engine that processes your spins. Good functionality is all you should ask for below $500. The user's task is to build his thesaurus, not the responsibility of the spinning software developers, unless they sell a thesaurus separately and claim that it can produce unique, 100% grammatically correct spins at the click of a single button.
     
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    Yes, you are right aj, extremely, extremely difficult. Nobody expects you to do something so difficult. Spin Chief is just fine, I believe it's up to the users and how much they want good content.
     
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    I have tried SpinnerChief Elite and it rocks!
    I used the Cloud Thesaurus and mass spin it. About 85-90% of the articles are smoothly 'spin' and readable. But hey, such success rate is pretty good compared to using other spinners.
     
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    Unfortunately with all due respect I wouldn't expect people to give credibility to someone who is merely spouting off without the value of experience.

    Do you think it is fair to put down something you have never even seen?
     
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    We do.

    What's the matter dude? Are you scared that we will actually succeed and leave your beloved SpinChimp in the dust? Believe me, it's going to happen. We are already beta testing.
     
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    Why don't you just try it for yourself?
     
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    aj, everybody knows that most "one click" solutions to anything in this world are just good sales copy. Until you prove otherwise with the 'miracle' thesaurus I'm not going to change my opinion, especially not because an ever so slightly biased SpinnerChief developer told me to. You always take an aggressive/insulting tone when anyone posts ever so slightly (healthy) skepticism of your SpinnerChief.

    If it were that damn easy then everyone would be auto generating awesome content and everyone would be rich. Unfortunately it doesn't work that way.

    As I said, I'm not a developer of SpinChimp and have no affiliation with them apart from the fact that I'm a happy customer. The reason I don't use the SpinnerChief Elite and the miracle thesaurus is because it's way too expensive.

    Please, I invite you to use your 'miracle' thesaurus to spin an article. Post the original article on here and post the spintax version. Don't use your 'newest' solution yet, keep it with the 'miracle' thesaurus. I want to see it at work. If it truly is awesome I will be happy to eat my words!

    OK: My curiosity got the better of me and I checked out your miracle thesaurus. Its positives are that it does provide good quality auto spins, but the main reason for this is that it simply doesn't spin very much compared to what we need for SE's to determine our content as at least reasonably unique.

    The main two problems I have with the miracle thesaurus are:

    1. It only provides 1 or 2 variants per phrase spun - for bulk spinning, this is simply insufficient, and relevant to the original thread title, my above post indicates more along the lines of what needs to be done for bulk spinning, which is far above and beyond what the miracle thesaurus does. For bulk spins, we need at LEAST 5 correct synonyms on both phrase and word level, where possible. I would say my average is about 7-8.

    2. It only spins (relatively common) phrases. Hence, in my opinion, it is not really miracle at all. Please don't go crazy on me for saying this, I just call them as I see them i.e. trying for constructive criticism here. As I mentioned in my above post, what you need is someone to go through the most common few thousand english words, including every variant form of them (i.e. for nouns, singular/plural, for verbs infinitive/3rd person singular/present participle/past simple/past participle, for comparatives/superlatives e.g. thin/thinner/thinnest including irregulars e.g. good/better/best, and so on), taking into account all possible contexts of the word and where grammatical correctness can be preserved according to these varied contexts, add as many synonyms as possible.

    I looked at the level of spinning and while they can pass copyscape, they are nowhere near spun enough to properly 'fool' the search engines.

    You imply that I am ignorant for not trying before voicing my skepticism, however for around 80 bucks, it's blatantly obvious that you are not going to get anything truly miraculous. Honestly I didn't see the point in wasting my time. As I said above, if your thesaurus were really a miracle, then you would be charging prices similar to Xrumer. And people who knew anything about spinning/the english language would be buying even at that high price.

    With the SE algorithms becoming ever more sophisticated, even as recently as the panda updates, you've got to do a HELL of a lot more than simply change some of the more common phrases in an article in order for the content to be seen as at least reasonably unique. I wouldn't go anywhere near calling this a miracle thesaurus however it is an 'accuracy-centric phrase replacer'. Adding just 1 or 2 variants can't really be called spinning, adding just 1 or 2 variants of common phrases (not words) definitely can't be called spinning.

    However, where this story becomes interesting is if you can, as your posts claim, make both a phrase based and word based combined thesaurus with lots of variations which still preserve maximum grammatical correctness. A daunting task which I initially said no one could be expected to do, but you snapped back that you are certainly doing the very same. So please, I welcome you to do the following:

    1. Add more phrase based variants to the miracle thesaurus, 1-2 is not enough, always aim for at LEAST 5, while preserving grammatical correctness
    2. Make your miracle thesaurus word based as well, with at least 5 synonyms for each word, and all grammatical forms thereof (as specified earlier in this post), taking special care to consider all common contexts of each word and adjust accordingly
    3. Use spins to check, recheck, and check some more.

    Then you will truly have a miracle thesaurus, worthy of its name! And I would certainly buy it. I would be curious to see what you are up to specifically in terms of your new Beta testing.

    (BTW, I like SpinChimp the most because its interface is the easiest -- the extreme work it takes to add tens of thousands of synonyms is only possible with lightning quick addition of synonyms, which Chimp allows. That's why it's "beloved" to me, yes. But if someone else were to make a truly miracle thesaurus then I would praise their efforts too, without a doubt.)
     
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    I see that they have a three day free trial so your statements are pretty much irrelevant. If you don't believe it, why not try it?
     
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    I have limited time and I already wasted enough on this thread. If you don't give credence to what I'm saying then you can choose TBS, SpinnerChief or SpinChimp and do auto spins with any of them. Either way, you're not going to get any SE unique, grammatically correct articles regardless of which one you choose. Of course I have used SpinnerChief, but haven't used the miracle thesaurus (I wasn't aware you could trial that), looked at the videos but that's enough for me to see what it does as the vids were pretty clear. FPC, if you want to bulk spin with the miracle thesaurus go ahead, but you can't complain when your article links don't have any weight or worse yet aren't even being indexed. Also, Copyscape passed does NOT equal unique at all in the SE's eyes. It depends on what you want. If you just want to spin articles one by one quickly to get them into ezine for pure article marketing purposes (i.e. non SEO purposes) and you get your clicks directly from ezine, then use miracle thesaurus. If you want to bulk spin (make many copies of the same article in spintax) for BH SEO purposes, then currently, no software can do that properly. Since this is a black hat SEO forum and not the WF or DP, then I presumed you wanted the latter.

    I also said that SpinChimp can only auto spin to 10% spun. That's a natural result but nowhere near enough. Currently, NO spinner can auto spin and provide natural results, as is the title of the thread. We await aj's new solution which I am curious to hear.