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What is the best keyword density now after the penguin update?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by LOL-Blaster, Sep 3, 2012.

  1. LOL-Blaster

    LOL-Blaster Regular Member

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    What is the best keyword density now after the penguin update?
     
  2. gorang

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    As far as the evidence suggests, Penguin was an off-page update.
     
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    I'm using less than 2% and more than 1%. I think that looks really natural.
     
  4. artificial_genius

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    Penguin was almost entirely offpage (Panda was the onpage update).

    With that being said, I do not worry about keyword density with SEO. Google wants "natural" looking sites, so I do not aim for a specific number. I just make sure the keyword is included at least a couple times on the page, and don't pay much attention to it beyond that.
     
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  5. NISEO

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    As already said above - Penguin = Off Page (links)

    However, KWD (as we think of it) has been dead for years - if you had a page with a title (keyword) and a picture, then that's 100% KWD.

    If you don't mention your KW once in a 1000 words - ask yourself if you're targeting the right KW!

    Write for users - they need to TRUST you if they are going to buy - they won't trust an author who writes 'awkwardly written stuff' - written for Google.

    Please Google: "all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy" and look at the result about 3/4 which should be a 'uncyclopedia' page. A really deliberately stupid KWD (almost certainly an SEO test/game) is not harming them (pos 3/4).
     
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    So keywords density doesn't matter now?

    And about the offpage thing. How do you know?
     
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    I disagree with it not mattering.

    Of course Google doesn't reward KW stuffing but it certainly punishes it.

    The problem is when you outsource content writing, a lot of the writers seem to be living in the past and try and cram the keyword in as much as they can.

    It makes it essential to specify that they should only use the keyword 2 or 3 times.
     
  8. NISEO

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    Take a look at the page I suggested above - not penalized. High KWD/stuffing does not mean auto penalty.

    If nobody else does, I'll give some references for penguin being off page when not writing on my phone.
     
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    Keyword density should be around 2%
     
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    EXACTLY 1.739%. Anything more or less and you'll get a penalty.
     
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    I use 1% without problems.
     
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    I've never checked the keyword density. but always said no more than seven times throughout the page, including the navigation links and other none content instances.

    In content, three is enough for google to understand. Also, considering Google is much better at LSI now, you don't really have to worry about keywords at all, just insert them naturally.
     
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    I keep it between 1% and 1.5%, and have not seen any problems... I still think it mamters; and with the right LSI thrown in you should be fine...
     
  14. NISEO

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    Just mentioned a bit of 'evidence' on a different post (new thread) called 'Penguin vs. Panda (different 'beasts'!)' hope that helps.

    You'll find people coming here saying, "1% works for me", "1.5% works for me", "2% works for me", "3% works for me", "4% works for me", etc. - because ANYTHING can work - if the site I referenced came here they'd say, "99.9% works for me"!
     
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    0% actually works well for some webpages. Just look to the blank pages that were ranking strong simply because of their domain name.

    The best advice is to look at what is currently ranking on the first page. Develop an average using this technique as there are great differences from one niche to another. Good luck.
     
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    I dont really count on keyword density as I make user-friendly article.

    Once I got the keyword mentioned once or twice, that should be fine, the rest of it will be done off-page optimization.
     
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    Nice one - I completely do agree with you :)
     
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    Whats keyword density?
     
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    Check first page sites KWD and go from there...
     
  20. NISEO

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    Sites rank for competitive terms because of LINKS - don't waste time and potentially conversions copying people who could be VERY wrong.

    Generally, people doing SEO should learn what actually works, not copy competitors. I beat high ranking sites doing things properly. This can take weeks where it took competitors months and years.