What is the backend process of a Smm Panel?

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aman khattar

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So this question has been in my mind since I came to know what an Smm Panel is,I have heard about the 1000s of phones being manually operated in those Chinese Phone Farms but that is not a solution for everyone and I am sure that not all the Smm Panels use phone farms so what is the exact backend process here?

A member here shed some lights about it and some people say that they operate on botnets,can some experienced people give some insights?
 
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Educated guess;

Building the platform in something like django and making it run different scripts (requests or similar) once an order is placed.

I doubt they're using phone farms lol
 
For 99.9%, calling other APIs lol. For a very few, it could either be very well disguised bots; or mobile devices like you have mentioned. The second approach will need much more start up capital than the first one, but the second approach is far more effective IMO.
 
Gogol said:
For 99.9%, calling other APIs lol. For a very few, it could either be very well disguised bots; or mobile devices like you have mentioned. The second approach will need much more start up capital than the first one, but the second approach is far more effective IMO.
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but is it not far fetched the people providing the APIs have thousands if not tens of thousands of phones running at all times? Why have that when you can invest much less money to develop a bot that masks the device for you? It's not like that can't be done?
 
Could you imagine someone running around with thousands of phones taped to a wall making accounts?
 
DunderMannen said:
but is it not far fetched the people providing the APIs have thousands if not tens of thousands of phones running at all times? Why have that when you can invest much less money to develop a bot that masks the device for you? It's not like that can't be done?
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This is what I am saying,not every Smm Owner uses the Phone Farm Method as it requires a very heavy capital compared to if we develop something for this purpose.
 
Gogol said:
For 99.9%, calling other APIs lol. For a very few, it could either be very well disguised bots; or mobile devices like you have mentioned. The second approach will need much more start up capital than the first one, but the second approach is far more effective IMO.
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Well disguised bots means what language is used and where can we make them?
 
They're all reselling. There's probably a few guys who provide all the services.
 
mrtruehybrid said:
They're all reselling. There's probably a few guys who provide all the services.
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I know but to make it a consistent business,it would be better to have your own backend process instead of depending on someone else's backend.
 
DunderMannen said:
but is it not far fetched the people providing the APIs have thousands if not tens of thousands of phones running at all times? Why have that when you can invest much less money to develop a bot that masks the device for you? It's not like that can't be done?
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Good question. There might be several reasons for that. All in all, those services are meant to be "high quality" ones. Let's say "youtube views". It is impossible to detect bot views if it is being done through actual devices. There could be thousands of other reasons that I am unaware of.

Also, those farms actually do exist!! Here's a snap I found on Google.
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So, it's not a question whether these exist, but the real question is; why?

Also, I guess; if you purchase devices in bulk; the price is not that high per device.

aman khattar said:
Well disguised bots means what language is used and where can we make them?
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I don't believe the language matters. It would be more than firing up your selenium though. Probably, using virtual hosts? Modifying the drivers? I doubt there is one single answer to this.
 
Gogol said:
Good question. There might be several reasons for that. All in all, those services are meant to be "high quality" ones. Let's say "youtube views". It is impossible to detect bot views if it is being done through actual devices. There could be thousands of other reasons that I am unaware of.

Also, those farms actually do exist!! Here's a snap I found on Google.
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So, it's not a question whether these exist, but the real question is; why?

Also, I guess; if you purchase devices in bulk; the price is not that high per device.
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yes that is true but do you think using a phone farm for social media is detectable? And if yes then how do social media sites detect it?
 
Gogol said:
Good question. There might be several reasons for that. All in all, those services are meant to be "high quality" ones. Let's say "youtube views". It is impossible to detect bot views if it is being done through actual devices. There could be thousands of other reasons that I am unaware of.

Also, those farms actually do exist!! Here's a snap I found on Google.
View attachment 144774

So, it's not a question whether these exist, but the real question is; why?

Also, I guess; if you purchase devices in bulk; the price is not that high per device.



I don't believe the language matters. It would be more than firing up your selenium though. Probably, using virtual hosts? Modifying the drivers? I doubt there is one single answer to this.
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I think they buy old Iphones ,that's how they get it cheap.
 
aman khattar said:
yes that is true but do you think using a phone farm for social media is detectable? And if yes then how do social media sites detect it?
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Probably by comparing the same action done by the same accounts over and over again
 
aman khattar said:
yes that is true but do you think using a phone farm for social media is detectable? And if yes then how do social media sites detect it?
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My unqualified guess would be, that it is tough to detect these. Heck, these people can even change IMEI numbers if needed. How on earth would you compete with that? :p
 
The accounts, in my opinion most of them are stolen accounts from apps like "Check your unfollowers" - "Follow and Unfollow", Addmefast and other public social media exchanger which dont work anymore. And I guess, theres a black market behind, trading with each others. (Im just talking about Instagram and Facebook)
 
mrtruehybrid said:
Probably by comparing the same action done by the same accounts over and over again
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I don't think so,people operating these phone farms would be well aware of how to stay safe and provide quality services.
 
El Duque said:
The accounts, in my opinion most of them are stolen accounts from apps like "Check your unfollowers" - "Follow and Unfollow", Addmefast and other public exchange who dont work anymore. . And I guess, theres a black market behind, trading with each others.
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Yes this is a fact,there was one scheduler for Instagram which I used and they stole my account and rebranded it lol,also one marketplace seller here told this to me that many Smm Panels use hacked accounts.
 
Phone farms aren't scalable and very hard to pull of if you need to provided 10s of thousands of actions per hour. From my experience you usually have to reverse the API for the service you want to provide a service for to be able to bulk create accounts (5-10k accounts per day, since dead accounts need to be replaced asap).

With the API reversed, you can create a service cluster or kubernetes cluster to provide the actions and if the demand for the service increases, you can just add new nodes to the cluster. (Basically many servers running actions 24/7)


Have also heard of Like Exchange services, that users can sign-up for and receive a couple of 100's of likes or whatever on their post. Their accounts are then used to send likes to SMM customers (That's usually how the "real" users services work).
 
Gogol said:
Good question. There might be several reasons for that. All in all, those services are meant to be "high quality" ones. Let's say "youtube views". It is impossible to detect bot views if it is being done through actual devices. There could be thousands of other reasons that I am unaware of.

Also, those farms actually do exist!! Here's a snap I found on Google.
View attachment 144774

So, it's not a question whether these exist, but the real question is; why?

Also, I guess; if you purchase devices in bulk; the price is not that high per device.



I don't believe the language matters. It would be more than firing up your selenium though. Probably, using virtual hosts? Modifying the drivers? I doubt there is one single answer to this.
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I know they exist, but I don't think they're used for SMMs, it's so much money so little... I'm probably wrong here though, I'd love for someone with insight into SMMs answer to this.
 
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