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What is considered as Fraud?

Discussion in 'Affiliate Programs' started by iPwnJ00, Aug 6, 2009.

  1. iPwnJ00

    iPwnJ00 Junior Member

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    Hi everyone,

    I was really curious about the CL method of making money with CPA, however, something came to my mind. I thought to myself, "isn't this considered as fraud?". So, could someone answer my question?

    What I currently think is:

    If you promote a non-incentives affiliate link then that would be considered as fraud because you're ripping off the company.

    But...

    What if you promote an incentives affiliate link which requires the person signing up to deposit a minimum amount of money before you get credited? Then you use that in a BH way on CL by saying that 'you want them to deposit to complete verification, but their money will be refunded when verification is complete', is that considered as fraud, or just an unethical issue?

    Thanks for answering my question :)
     
  2. iPwnJ00

    iPwnJ00 Junior Member

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    Wait, wouldn't that mean that the 'CL method' is technically a method based around fraud?
     
  3. Griller

    Griller BANNED BANNED

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    Anything where if the advertiser calls up the lead and the lead tells them how you promote it, or gives them a copy of the email you send or whatever, and you get banned for it, that is fraud.
     
  4. noob411

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    Why would you think that promoting a non incent aff program on cl is fraud? Maybe against tos but how is that fraud??
     
  5. iPwnJ00

    iPwnJ00 Junior Member

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    The company states that the offer is not to be incentivized, but you go ahead and do so, generating fake leads. If they don't find these 'fake leads' then I assume it would be fraud lol

    Pretty unethical too.
     
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    ????? who said fake leads??????? how the hell is promoting something on cl fraud????? are you both ok? or did you 2 get a hold of that legal bud crap?
     
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    Thats not fraud thats a violation of their tos if that is in the tos. Some cpa companies I work for don't have such a rule so if it is called into question if you are dumb enough to place a raw link on cl then you have a case. this thread is confusing because of the allegations that are flying around. Posting a cpa offer on cl does not entail faking signups. I am lost maybe my map is upside down>
     
  8. Griller

    Griller BANNED BANNED

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    When it comes to dealing with affiliate networks, it doesn't matter, they will call it fraud, TOS violation, whatever, it ends in you not getting paid. When it comes to the law, of course TOS violations have no weight, but if you tell people you will give them something if they put their CC number into a website, and you have no intention of giving them anything, that is fraud. Posting on CL in and of itself isn't fraud or illegal, but offering people something if they pay for something else is definitely fraud
     
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  9. cookz4u

    cookz4u Newbie

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    On the issue of ethics, aren't most blackhat methods unethical?
     
  10. j4froc

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    in some way or the other ... definately YES
     
  11. cucr3

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    Fraud is obtaining monies through false pretenses.. So on some level, yes, that is fraudulent. As is asking someone to enter their cc information for "FREE age verification" and then they get slammed with $40+ per month subscription to a porn site..
     
  12. Griller

    Griller BANNED BANNED

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    Thats when you start walking a fine line. Its one thing to tell a guy you'll touch him if he verifies his age, and another thing to offer a job to an 18 year old girl.

    A week later, one of them is going to think "HERE I AM WITH MY MEAT IN MY HAND AND THIS BITCH FROM THE INTERNET HASNT GOTTEN BACK TO ME EVEN THOUGH I GOT CHARGED $40 TO VERIFY MY AGE! IM SO MAD, IM GOING TO POST ON THE INTERNET ABOUT THIS"

    While the other thinks "OMG $79 CHARGE TO MY CREDIT CARD, DADDY THE ONLINE PEOPLE TRICKED ME, MAKE IT GO AWAY" and the dad calls the place up and explains exactly what happened"

    Rarely will the first thing get you banned, whereas the second thing will get you banned quickly.
     
  13. cucr3

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    Fine line or not, it is what it is.. I think the OP is more concerned about the legal ramifications, than being banned by a network.