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What if my competitor did this to me

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Nudge, Apr 7, 2013.

  1. Nudge

    Nudge Newbie

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    I've been reading up on bounce rates and even though there are many who say G don't use this data from GA, there are also some who state that G could be using the length of time it takes a user to come back to the SERP and click on another link.

    This got me to thinking, if the length of time between SERP clicks is factored into the results, then could your site be trashed by a competitor using top keywords you use, clicking on your site and then returning to the SERP within seconds and clicking on another site, doing the same thing with another competitor and then eventually clicking on their own site and staying or not returning to G for some time.

    I know having this automated is not difficult, so I wonder, would G really use this as a signal, and if not, then why have a bounce rate at all.

    This line of thinking also got me thinking down the path of, what if a competitor did all the things recommended not to do, to your site, creating thousands of links for a few weeks and then nothing, or creating a heap of crappy articles, keyword stuffing, etc.

    or am I totally off on this? I'm still trying to learn SEO but to me this seems plausible and possible to influence a competitor ranking in the SERP if all the things you should not do to your website be done to a competitors.

    If this is possible, what can I do to prevent this, other than the usual SEO, what if they do more than I do per day and I'm constantly behind the eight ball?
     
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    LakeForest Supreme Member

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    Yeah Google, why are there both bouncerates and the possibility for clickbombing? Doesn't one preclude the other?

    I'd LOVE to hear this explanation...

    OP, just like negative SEO, the only thing you can do is watch yourself and have faith. Kind of like the wild west.
     
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  3. Nudge

    Nudge Newbie

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    Thanks buddy, I guess I probably should start going to church and hope big G is on my side :D
     
  4. bertbaby

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    Well, i guess that's one strategy. Let us know how that works. But another solution is to spread risk about among several of your own sites and not invest exclusively in one.
     
  5. KELLOGGS

    KELLOGGS Supreme Member

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    Do you only ever post in the Lounge and Freebie section?:p Definitely the oldest account I've seen with three posts!

    :focus:

    As Bertbaby pointed out, if this was a SERP factor there would be very little that you could do to prevent negative SEO from your competitors. Just make sure you have a high quality site that the rest of the visitors value and hopefully they'll outweigh your competitor's attempts to bring you down.
     
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    no buddy i have seen one 2008 account with 4 posts ;)
     
  7. KELLOGGS

    KELLOGGS Supreme Member

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    Well done, I see your rep has taken a bit of a boost. Last time I saw you, you had -92. Maybe soon you'll break even!
     
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  8. Nudge

    Nudge Newbie

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    Yeah not long after I joined I was sent to duty as pointed out in my intro the other day. Thanks for your advice.
     
  9. KELLOGGS

    KELLOGGS Supreme Member

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    Ah I didn't see it sorry, respect from me!

    You're welcome.
     
  10. incognito876

    incognito876 Regular Member

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    I do this from time to time - i.e. click on a competitor's site and leave straightaway, then click on mine and stay for a while visiting several pages etc - but I get the feeling that only data collected from multiple users will count - I doubt the algo is programmed to push a site up visit by visit.
     
  11. Digicept

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    Increasing Alexa Rank and having natural looking bots on your site all fit into the model you are trying to present to google.

    A viral site that a lot of people are bookmarking, as well as having loads of sites from very influential blogs that themselves get a lot of attention (Tiers 1/2/3 etc)

    So in the scale of things, yes you definitely want your traffic to make sense with Google Analytics, you can bet they would have some algorithm that would be in place to ensure your traffic/backlinks/social activity all matches up..
     
  12. Nudge

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    All good mate, I love my job and country and always put my hand up, getting a little old for it these days though.


    I've always had a strong interest in marketing, so I'm hoping I get get a good play this time.
     
  13. Nudge

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    No I don't think it pushes the site up on its own, but I do feel its a signal amongst many.


    Given a heap load of proxy and done with the right code, this could appear to be a load of users, I'm just trying to work out why google have a bounce rate if its not used as they claim, it can't be for the webmaster, because our own web logs tell us the length of time anyway.


    and given google record every click on a SERP link I just wonder.
     
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    I would agree that its a signal amongst many. Would be really interesting to make a test and see if has any impact on the rankings. Has anyone tried testing this?
     
  15. onlinehitman

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    Hi,

    This is another form of negative SEO you're talking about. Remember, negative SEO is much harder and needs a lot of practice and knowledge. In any case, Google has reached a point where it can detect such things and keep good sites from getting harmed in any way. I think this issue is not something to worry about. Google will take care of it.

    Thanks.
     
  16. KELLOGGS

    KELLOGGS Supreme Member

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    Nice one, are you from the US? I've always thought of joining the army over here but after quite a few friends and family being lost and seeing what that has done to their and my family, I'm apprehensive of signing up.

    Where were you deployed?
     
  17. Nudge

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    Australia, deployed to middle east, been back since August last year, spent some time with family, did a bit of travelling under free will :) and now just starting to settle back into society.

    It's not an easy life for family that's for certain, it's easier for us, because we choose it, but the government supplies a lot of resources for families here.

    The best job in the world imho, I love structure so it suited my personality.
     
  18. KELLOGGS

    KELLOGGS Supreme Member

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    Ahhh IM might be hard for you then if you're a fan of structure and order, definitely an area at without strong motivation you'll go nowhere but I guess that's what bills are there for - to get you working!
     
  19. quickpick

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    Time on site is definite signal. Negative SEO can definitely achieved here using bots, but I'm not sure how much weight it has.

    On another note, one signal that can't be manipulated is their A/B testing in the serps

    Google will perform A/B testing for certain keywords. Example, If your ranking first page for a certain keywords, they will drop you to the second page (for a few hours), and see your if your new competitor who took your spot gets more CTR.
     
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  20. AR!ZONA

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    I've just seen how bounce rate can affect rankings this week:

    Ranked 5th > 80% Bounce > Ranked 12th!

    Took a couple of days, but my linking is all done by me with no blog links rolling off or anything getting deleted. Velocoity has been pretty consistent.
     
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