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Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by fdylstyx, Feb 5, 2014.

  1. fdylstyx

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    To build a website, that can possibly become the largest social site conceivable, knowing it would, in all likelihood, be under constant attack?

    Is it even doable?

    I ask because, one I need 15 posts for those interested in what I'm here for to PM me and two...I just can't seem to let this idea I have go and know nothing about how to go about building it. All I do know is I can't do it without the internet and I cannot do it alone.

    I believe the skills required to build such a site(s) can be found here at BHW. You don't get if you don't ask...so I'm ask'n. }:)>
     
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    Learn what the creator of Facebook did. Then do it better than what it already is.
     
  3. fdylstyx

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    ~smiles~ Butt...butt...butt...I don't have time. I need help.

    Thanks for the reply just the same, kinlee, very logical.
     
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    You have to make time if you want to learn something, once you put in the effort to help yourself you'll find that people will start to come to help you.

    Butts! LOL :eek:
     
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  5. MadStacks

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    Talent and all of the cool little things in the world is not going to make up for million dollar plus
    budget you would need to get the word out slightly.
     
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  6. fdylstyx

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    Thanks again kinlee...I hear what you're saying and I know about putting in the effort...butt...we all have our strengths don't we? I do have the vision...I lack the skills required to build something around the idea. That's why I'm here...in the deep end...way over my head here but I just know the questions to my answers can be found here.

    Like MadStacks says...money doesn't guarantee success...but the idea...(which remains on the DL until I get feedback from admin...or Diamond) does have a captivating appeal and I'm all for laying it all on the line in the chance that someone with those skills might take on the challenge simply because of like mindedness and the opportunity for future reward.

    The feedback is appreciated...I do know my limits...I'm looking for others who wish to test their own.
     
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    You just joined the forum this month and you are seeking a joint venture with the owner or admin? :)
     
  8. fdylstyx

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    I can understand your perspective MadStacks. Not one to waste anyone's time here and definitely not seeking anything that isn't willingly offered. I just sent a letter to better explain my objective to administration when I joined and let them know I'm not just fishing or trying to spam anyone at all.

    I'll post the letter of intention here when I get a reply on what they think as to which side of the grey line they think I stand. There's a lot of potential for what I'm trying to achieve and a major part of it would depend on gaining some true skills that are abundant here to put it all together from concept to roll out to holding it all together.

    My apologies if I seem cryptic to any. It's best to hold back until I have a go ahead...then we can see who wants to jump into the think tank.

    fdyl
     
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    If I knew you well, I would love to jump in and invest in this. But first I'd have some questions:

    How much backing do you already have?
    Have you ever attended (doesn't matter if you didn't graduate) business school?
    How is it going to be different from Facebook and the other social networks?
    How many programmers do you have on your team?

    These are my first questions. If I was to invest there would be A TON more. But unfortunately, without knowing you or your business plan, I'm not going to invest. I'm out...

    EDIT: P.S. Way to go on being a considerate member. Your communication skills are pretty good. (Seriously).
     
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  10. Panther28

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    So you lack project management skills, and have no experience about getting your hands dirty. Yet, your idea is kept secret because supposedly its the next big thing. Your at square 1, and you want a hand up to the top right away from the owner of this forum.

    All the people who have the skills you need see people saying the same nonsense week in on this forum. Anyone can have a "vision". The winners are the ones who put in the hours and work. You've already admitted this isn't you.

    We all have our own "vision" and ideas. Guess what? we are working on them right now. Packing in the hours, making the failures, pushing our limits, making the sacrifices.

    (this is the bit where you post about how i will regret what i just said when your new facebook is the biggest on the planet, and your the richest guy, and i'll be left out in the cold wishing i had got in at the bottom)
     
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    Good of you to say so, yensidtlaw, ~smiles~ I will answer some of your questions, honestly of course, and forgive me if they only seem to beg more questions...or answers.

    As to monetary backing I have none...nada...zilch. As to goodwill from some years of bouncing this idea around the net I would say it's a 50/50 split on acceptance as something truly viable. If one percent of the global population were willing to skip a late' once a month for the cause it would definitely go the full hundred percent to success.

    Self taught, observation and osmosis...a few bright ideas. Business is business...that much I do know.

    The difference I would say is if an active member of the site there will be not only self interest but shared interest...an all for one and one for all general feeling...it will be a thing of generational growth as it is, from the start, a one hundred year plan.

    I have no programmers, yensidtlaw, I wouldn't be able to recognize an exceptional one or a snake in the grass. I joined BHW today hoping to at least learn the difference.

    Again, thanks for all the feedback...now I don't know why my phone is not getting alerts as I have subscribed to this thread and put the setting to immediately notify me by email. I do have to go out so I will keep logging in to be available to respond to any further questions or advice.

    ~peace in~
     
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    Panther28, I don't disagree with what you say nor the manner in which you say it. How could you possibly know what work I have put into this idea? I would however prefer to use the term discretion rather than being perceived as keeping a secret.

    I may not know much but, for better or worse, BHW is the tops as far as where I need to look for those skills I do not have...correct me if I am wrong in this estimation.

    I expect many will think my idea to be nonsense...some will be vehemently opposed...thus the need for caution. Others, I know, will be completely agreeable to the concept...even if they do nothing. However I am doing the work I can do and I do not see failure as an option...only another step along my way.

    As to that last bit...you have me wrong. I'm not the "I told you so" type. I wish you much success...more so if you already have.

    fdyl
     
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    Haste Makes Waste...

    Rome wasn't built in a day...

    And what you are asking to build is larger than "Rome" imo...

    It seems that you only have a vague outline and not a blueprint. What type of sites have you done, or have helped someone do, so far? It will tell you if you have the aptitude to make it as big in this field, as you think, or not. You may find the huge talent on this forum or elsewhere, but if you can't use it because you've no high-quality execution plan then that talent won't produce any positive result. So, imho, what you think is only a vague dream and not a vision.

    P.S.: :)
    Adding something new to the idioms:

    "Neither Microsoft, nor Facebook was built in a day or two, AND certainly not without the brains, the thorough planning and execution, toil and sweat, etc., AND absolutely NOT in haste..."

    HTH :)
     
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    Woke up this morning and found this reply from support. I hope it's ok to leave this as is/was (only removed my email addy). As promised this is me being as transparent as is prudent (under the circumstances) so those who wish can see that I am only doing my best with what I have to work with.

    I'll let the words, and time stamps do the talking for now and hope I'm still within the rules as I understand them. Any further guidance or redirect would be greatly appreciated. Anyone interested in having a closer look at just what it is I'm trying to do PM me and as soon as I can respond I will.

    Again, thanks for reading and have a productive day. }:)>

    p.s. it seems I had to remove more than just my own addy and an url or two to be able to post...I really don't know much about this stuff...that's why I'm here. :)
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    Hey Diamond,

    I'm just a guy with an idea. I'd like to run this by you before I post it as it will be clearly evident that I have found myself in deep, shark infested waters. Still, you see a chance you take it right? Great site you have here. Maybe, dreamer that I am, you will have the time and interest in helping me find the right person(s) to help affect what it is I'm trying to achieve. I'm sure you're busy and I'm likely overly optimistic that you will even see this let alone reply. I understand completely.

    I'm just hoping I can put this out there on your site and leave fate to do what she does best. What I intend on posting follows. This is not something I'm flashing everywhere I can find. I just realized the potential of the knowledge and skills that I may be able to find here who will see my 100 year idea as something worthy of their best efforts in helping it move forward. You're the first. Hope you see this.

    Best Regards,
    Barry aka fdylstyx

    I'm looking for dreamers and legit schemers to help me protect, project and execute a 100 year plan to bring real change in global poverty and environmental sustainment/reclamation.

    This idea is simple and doable with the right people handling all the things that I don't know how to do. I'm just a dreamer that see's the web as the key to communicating the ideal to as many people as possible around the globe.

    I stumbled across Black Hat World about a week ago and now see a possibility/opportunity that I have been patiently waiting for. I strongly believe that the know how and the integrity required to roll out this dream safely can be found here.

    I've been aware of SEO for some years now but have not been able to wrap my brain around all of this. I am a simple man...Occam's Razor and all that. I do know the task ahead is daunting and will have serious detractors/enemies. That's the challenge though.
    So to put this as simply as I can all I can say is I am looking for someone with the parts to become the brain that understands priority, timing, allocation of command and the will to create an complete platform(s) for this dream that I have carried since a child.

    I realize I have asked a lot here as a new member...without saying much in return but I think I've said enough to be understood. The reward for those who help make this dream a reality will be...enough. Monetizing this ideal amongst key contributors will be discussed as it moves along but first things first.

    I need someone that has the skills and the will to just have a look to see if it's worth their while. If you want to contribute a little of your time to just look at the simplicity of the ideal and the intense skills needed to pull it off then post in this thread and I will send an outline of what it is all about to those who have are held in high regard by members of this community. All respondents will be considered with care and responded to.

    Thanks for reading...I hope this is not considered spam. BHW is the only place I'm placing this request. I'm as serious as the five heart attacks I've already survived.

    "A dream you dream alone is only a dream. A dream you dream together is reality." John Lennon

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    Good luck to you, OP. May be I will use your site, AND like it very much, soon! :)

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    Good morning srb888...all good and valid points you've made. To clarify I am in no hurry as it is a 100 year plan and I don't have to be around to see it. I'd like to be around to help get it started and then bow out. I'm not in it for anything at all. That's not what it's about for me.

    I have had this ideal vetted by a mensa group some years back as well as a contact who had his people do the number crunching. It's not a vague idea in my mind. As a matter of fact it can be a very organic thing with the proper nurturing. Again...and I can't stress this enough...there will be people who will not like this at all and will attack it and the site(s).

    I'll wait until I have some guidance as how to go forward before filling in the blanks but believe me when I say I am not trying to hype anything. Just looking for help with something that could really make a difference in this world. Real change takes generations. This ideal is just a cornerstone to building a new "Rome".

    Wish I could say more but at this time I feel my own vulnerability in not quite understanding if this is the place and time. I'll wait till someone decides they want to look further into this and help put a team together before compromising any effort in this regard.

    fdyl
     
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    you need lots of money or friends. If you have lots of friends that equals free promotion.
     
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    It's been pointed out to me before that this ideal will need to make its own friends and money if it is ever to be all that it can be in the timeline proposed. Numbuh362...I believe friends of friends will do just as well. ~smiles~
     
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    I enjoy seeing your ambition but you do realize if I want to sell an idea or product I need a model
    to show someone. People do not invest in dreams they invest in something solid they can see and act on.

    If I walk into an office and say "Hey I have this cool product its awesome and will solve world hunger"
    they are going to ask to see a sample or a test of it. If I say "Oops all I have in my pockets is lint" they are
    going to not take me serious.
     
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    Hi again MadStacks...I get what you are saying. Perhaps the term I could use is "no wine should be served before it's time" to convey the sensitivity of preparation and execution of an idea.

    This thread started with the query as to whether a website or websites can be protected against threat of attack. I would be seriously compromising the success of all efforts of those who choose to involve themselves in this endeavor if it was not well orchestrated by individuals of not just the skills required but the integrity to stand true to the ideals therein under extreme pressures to compromise the efforts put forth by all concerned...including the founders as well as the supporting membership.

    I am willing and obliged to divulge the full scope of this admittedly grandiose idea to those members here at BHW whose integrity has been proven by the esteem with which they are shown by their peers.

    It will be on the advice of such persons as to how best the project should proceed.

    Again, in these matters, I am woefully inept but I do believe that for some who do become privy to the ideal and realize the scope of the preparations for proper introduction will agree that my course of action here and now is the proper one. Considering what I have to work with.

    I have a valid idea and I am completely open to other ideas as to best proceed. Doing nothing simply because of my own limitations only denies the dream a chance at becoming reality.

    Thanks again for your input, MadStacks, and the opportunity to better explain my position for those following this thread. As well as helping me reach the required posts so I can reply to the PMs I have and hope to receive.