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What does it mean when all site's rankings drops a few pages?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by tonyp, Jul 22, 2014.

  1. tonyp

    tonyp Regular Member

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    What does it mean when all of my site's KWs dropped a few pages in a single day? (for example from page 1-2 to pages 5-6)
     
  2. markdissel1992

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    There are many reasons why a website could drop. It could mean Google thinks the other websites are better than yours for that specific keyword. It could also mean you have to much spammy backlinks and a penalty will come soon. The last reason i can think of is the Google dance or the honeymoon period. In this last case there is nothing to worry about. Have you done any spammy backlinks the last few weeks?
     
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    Well, this seems to happen to a few sites all happening today.
    not much work done on them lately at all and each used a different technique.

    strange thing is that all KWs dropped a few pages (from pages 1-2 to pages 5-9) on a few different sites at the exact same time (today) - can an algo update cause that?
     
  4. peterstern9

    peterstern9 Regular Member

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    If you site is new, wait few more days and rankings should come back. It is normal these days to face big downfall before big SERP boost.
     
  5. tonyp

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    I'm still investigating but it's definitely not related to backlinks since each site had a completely different type of backlinks pointing to it.

    I think I read once that a google algo update / refresh can cause this kind of behavior - where your KWs are still on SERP but all dropped from pages 1-2

    Can anyone help in finding more info re this?
     
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    it's either a google dance or there was an update and your site was thrown back a few pages, just wait it out and see if the old rankings come back it was the first, if not check webmaster tool to see what's happening
     
  7. tonyp

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    Well, I wouldn't be so stressed if it was on 1 site... but the fact that it happened on a few sites which don't share any similar backlinks makes me think an update.

    Another thing to note is that the sites use the same template with slight text changes (they have been ranking for a few years now)
     
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    Probably a sitewide penalty. Are all sites hosted on a single shared server?
     
  9. tonyp

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    ok, just noticed the message on google webmaster tools regarding thin content...

    Guess it's game over for these sites (and yes - they were all on the same IP)
     
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    I was going to say, it sounds like a Panda refresh to me.

    Happened to me last year, such a pain to get out of.
     
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    I would run a backlink report to ensure you do not have spammy links, using Google webmaster tools you can see if Google penalized you and from there decide how to proceed.
     
  13. tonyp

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    each site had a completely different set of backlinks yet they were all hit at the same day with that thin content message on webmaster tools
    like I said, there were all sites built on the same template with a lot of identical content and slight text / meta tags changes and on the same IP

    They were working well for a few years, trying to think if there is anything that can be done... will changing template on all help?
     
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    Lol, you?re slapped for thin content, NOT templates?..

    Add more content, give existing content some body, remove the identical rubbish
     
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    seems Penguin patch update comming soon good news for penalized sites by penguin clearly this one help them back the track
     
  16. platinumcent

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    Just wait for few days. You will get the answer if the site ranking further drop or stay stable or come back...
     
  17. tonyp

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    yea, the 'template' part meant that it was probably easier to identify as a network - I also mentioned the fact that sites had a lot of duplicate content (something I'm afraid cannot be changed as I have no control over that part)

    Don't think anything will happen if I sit and do nothing since this is under the 'manual penalty' section so unless I actively do something and ask for a reconsideration request - I don't see it being removed on its own.
     
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    Add more content to your sites and then send a reconsideration request.

    Because there will be a human reviewing, you should make sure your sites look natural and not built for links/affiliates types or you may get a manual penalty.

    Good luck!
     
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    As all the sites are experiencing the drop, then some how all of your sites are doing something that Google do not like . So you better do a content and link audit.
     
  20. iamleewalker

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    Duplicate content is not exactly what you want to have on your sites. The fact that they were hosted on one IP and had similar templates might influence this a little, but not as much to actually cause the penalty.

    So, work on your content, remove duplicated, add quality posts and update regularly and work on backlinks building. However be careful with where you get the links from, as even today for example a site of the popular photographer was blocked by Google for links from YouMoz. So, just don't overdo it. But original high quality content is your best bet to get out of the penalty.