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What do you think of Pat Flynn or Internet business mastery?(smart passive income)

Discussion in 'Making Money' started by Minnehaha, May 16, 2017.

  1. Minnehaha

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    The first few months I spent trying to make money online I was a complete noob and didn't know an amazing place like blackhatworld existed.
    So most of my initial info i got from Pat Flynn's podcast smartpassive income, also the internet business mastery podcast. (what i found with my weaker google skills at the time)

    Maybe since I started with them they seem bigger than they really are. Have you heard of guys like this before? They focus on teaching people to make online courses or ebooks--by being honest and using skills you are already good at. Its alot of selling empty epiphanies though I think, I only understood affiliate marketing and IM once I found BHW. God damn they wasted my time thinking back.

    Was there a big whitehat world most of you had to trudge through before you found BHW?

    After reading t0mmy and other posts I'm starting to think they are scammers. Anyone who actually wanted to help people make money online would link to and talk about importance of blackhatworld in every podcast:D

    On the other hand maybe they are leaders of a whitehat side of things. Maybe they know about BHW and just care too much about being "good people" for their kids(although i doubt it, i'd say whatever to noobs if it gave me $250,000 a month like they get)
     
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    I usually shy away from alot of the mainstream seo gurus, i tried to give it another chance last month where I watched Neil Patels master class webinar of 8 webinars like 10 hours. I literally just got one thing out of the 10 hours, his casestudy on combining multiple websites in same niche through 301 and how two sites together brought much more traffic combined than they had before when they were seperate (the sum of their traffic seperately).

    So once in a while youll find a gem from the "gurus", but 1 gem in 10 hours of webinar, i get those gems here much more frequently, after i finish sifting through the 100+ instagram/press/gress/dress/whatever posts :p
     
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    I think both sides have something to offer. Black hat is about gaming the algos directly and white hat is about gaming the algos by influencing people to do stuff. I think there are valid lessons to learn from both sides. Interacting with and influencing people are good skills to have.

    Pat Flynn made a good business for himself, I've seen his case studies where he ranked some websites and admitted his mistakes. I don't think it's a complete waste of time to learn what you can from those people, but I wouldn't make it the basis for everything I do.

    Funny about Neil Patel. I attended one of his "webinars" which are all basically automated playbacks, and I really loved hearing him say things like "I don't like hard selling and tricking people" but then he's clearly presenting these automated, pre-recorded webinars as live. He's even using Webinar Jam from Andy Jenkins, complete with "sales alerts" from people "buying" his course over and over. It was comical to say the least.

    Even the chat area is completely pre-recorded and played back. I took the webinar a 2nd time- exact same messages from the exact same people popping in.
     
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    SPI is a great website though nowdays it has started publishing lot of crap.
     
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    I have this irrational dislike for Niel Patel. I don't think I could sit through a webinar of his. Granted, SEO isn't my main thing, but still. Nope.
     
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    oh are they prerecorded in this one he was apologizing incessantly at the beginning for microphone issues who knows regardless, useless babble got nothing out of it. A sample they had a statistician for 1 hour talk about his software he uses for "multimillion dollar companies" and how it scrapes data and has much better data than all the mainstream competitors. But literally just talked about how his software is better and how great data analysis is with no value added not even one slide showing me how to do something.
     
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    IMO, the only way to learn anything is by actually doing it. It might be a good idea to have sites on different hosting accounts and experiment with both white hat and black hat methods.

    But to make the black hat methods work, you would want to master at least a few white hat techniques ... and learn exactly what Google looks for. Else, it might not be easy to make black hat methods work.
     
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    If it's registering people every 15 minutes, then it's definitely a pre-record. Yeah, lots of fluff. It's one of the reasons I don't attend a lot of webinars. It's usually a lot of fluff, then a sales pitch. I don't mind seeing a sales pitch, but the level of fluff is astounding.
     
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    +1 for this.

    The first thing anyone should do is buy some good marketing books. To name a few: Content Inc by Joe Pulizzi, Ogilvy On Advertising by David Ogilvy, Positioning by Al Ries and Jack Trout, Selling the Invisible by Harry Beckwith

    As a marketeer, you need to understand that people don't change; it's the technology around them that is continually evolving. The principals of marketing from hundreds of years ago still ring true today.
     
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