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What do you think of NLP? Is it all hype? Bunch of bullshit?

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  1. ShadeDream

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    Recently I've been quite interested in NLP as I've got a few things I could improve on myself and in general I would love to know more about people. Though, I started questioning myself, is NLP actually helpful? Or is it just a bunch of bullshit? Hype, that makes everyone think that NLP is the ultimate way to control your brain or whatever you want...

    Sure I have found some useful and interesting information but I stopped for a moment and asked myself, "Wait, do I really need to waste my time reading this?". I must admit that I'm a lazy person and I'd rather read a 10 page facts book rather than a 200 page hype book. I'm the type of person that doesn't like bullshit, I just want to get to the point and that's it. When I look at some of the NLP material that is available all over the internet, I wonder, if I really need this? Can't I just do this myself?

    Who is NLP for? Has it been made for the people that can hardly manage to control their lives? Or is it for people who want to master life, etc.

    I've went over some material and I don't know if it's just me or what but I just don't feel it. There is an exercise in one of the books that I am currently reading and you know what, I don't feel shit... lol

    Are NLP people just baffling the public with bullshit? Any thoughts?

    Edit: Was going to add a poll but that stupid newsletter form came up and there you go... now can't add one...
     
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    NLP is a real medical practice employed in things like therapy and even in things like hypnotism. Most of the time when people try to teach it to you for IM sales though it's usually a hunk of junk.
     
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    I checked some courses on some websites and there were 7 days NLP course. Well i have no doubt it has effect on people for some time but as everything you will need to keep it alive by doing it time to time. Though if you think long enough your a planet you start to believe it yourself :p (might take some time tho)

    The hardest part is probably get started and keep it up the first weeks :)
     
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    I guess it would be best to read stuff from Richard Bandler himself then... but then again... I smell bullshit... XD

    Yeah, I just find it hard to believe in certain things but then again if it is all about believing then why do I need this bullshit? I will just believe in this and that and take as much action as I can... eventually I will get the same result if not better.
     
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  5. bluegarden

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    it works but you need to practice it regularly. when you do not do the stuffs in NLP that makes yourself better, you'll be back to your original state.
     
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    I'm just wondering whether studying psychology books would be a better use of time...
     
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    This is something that you'll have to decide for yourself.

    There's mainstream medicine, there's alternative medicine. NLP is not scientific. There have been studies that debunked NLP, I've spent a fair bit of time a year or so ago looking through scientific journals to find studies in its favor and couldn't find any.

    Bandler is a great man and an even greater entertainer who believes in "end justifies the means". He's changed a lot of peoples lives for the better and worked in the field of therapy which is commendable in itself. He spent his whole life studying hypnosis and finding ways to manipulate people.

    Can you learn something from him? Hell yes. Should you take all he says as truth without questioning? Up to you. My theory is, try it out and use what works for you.
     
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  8. Sdshane

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    I'm trained in NLP as well as a bunch of other modalities, philosophies, etc.

    I've practiced NLP as therapy for others for awhile so i have some experience.

    I'll try to sum up what I think you need to know, though it's a huge and nuanced subject:

    NLP was created by asking, what's going on inside our heads?, what works? what doesn't work? and similar questions.

    The presopposition is that if you do the same things as another you will get the same results.

    Bandler and Grinder would go, for example, to thereapists who were getting extraordinary results and firgure out what the heck they were doing and why it was working. The studied for example Virginia Satir and Milton Ericson. Each time they would deconstruct what the person they were studying was probably doing intuitavely.

    Bandler said "NLP is an attidue and methodology that leaves behind a trail of techniques." That's a fairly good summation.

    The NLP trainers and teachers are always trying to incorporate whatever works, so NLP is also a constantly evolving study.

    So I would say, don't "study NLP", go and find out what the people who teach and practice NLP have discovered.

    In summary: Anyone who wants to better him or her self should definitely look into what has been uncovered in the NLP "field".

    (Hope you found this helpful)
     
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  9. GreyWolf

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    If you looking into it as a self-help/self-improvement tool then it's absolutely over hyped and mostly bullshit. All those self-actualization/positive-mindset books and videos are based on core ideas that might be a little beneficial and then hype it into a bullshit theory that will supposedly solve everything.

    NLP, Dianetics, The Secret, etc. all have some useful ideas, but then they've all been taken to a cult level (or in the case of Dianetics an actual religion), and at that level it's mostly a bunch of bullshit.

    If you can learn that stuff without letting the hype overcome you though it can be very useful. Not so much in a selfhelp direction, but in a "how to make sales" type of way. If you can get good at using things like that in your sales pages then they can be very useful for making more sales.

    NLP is based on using words and phrases in such a way as to have a subliminal effect. That can be very useful when talking to yourself to build a positive image, or when writing sales pages or talking with people to close a sale. Just don't make the mistake of thinking it's "the answer", or "the secret", or "the magic bullet".

    There's much more important factors that you need to learn and work on if you really want to be successful. If you keep that in mind, then it's not a bad idea to learn a little about NLP as well. It's just some additional information that you'll have at your disposal when you have a use for it.
     
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  10. tacopalypse

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    NLP is a lot like IM in a way.
    there's a lot of BS and a lot of solid info, but it's all mixed together.
    some of it works, some of it's disinformation created by marketers, and some of it's just misinformation perpetuated by poor reasoning.
    if you try to learn it as a newbie, you'll inevitably get sucked into a lot of the BS, and that's just part of the learning curve.
    you can only begin to use it effectively after you've gotten a ton of exposure and developed enough of your own understanding to separate the stuff that works from the BS.
    i'd say all in all, NLP is worth learning. just be skeptical of everything, in the same way that you are with IM, and you'll probably be fine.
    the shit that does work is extremely potent, but it'll take time to learn how to use it properly.
    as they say, no magic pills :)
     
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  11. gb1000

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    You really shouldn?t become instantly fascinated with what you can do with NLP.

    However, as you start to find more useful and interesting information about NLP you might become amazed at what you are able to do with it.

    At first you might think that it is bullshit and baffling but as you read more you may find yourself totally revved up and eager to learn more!

    How surprised would you be to wake up one day and have complete control over your thoughts and the thoughts of people around you!

    I once heard someone say that NLP is like magic and you can run language patterns to influence the thoughts of those around you without them even knowing you?re doing it!

    When hearing something like that, some people might want to learn everything about it, they might begin to imagine what it would be like to have so much power!

    You might begin to get very excited about this and as you sit where you are sitting and look into your monitor to read this you may even feel your breath getting faster and feel your heart pounding, and as you feel your head it might explode! BOOM!

    ;)
     
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    Some great responses. I can't seem to thank everyone and it's hard to post anything as BHW seems to be lagging... and then there's that stupid newsletter form too...
     
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    Hi ShadeDream, like almost everyone is saying NLP (Neuro Linguistic Programming) is at its core helpful for some people! Very helpful. For instance, I used it to stop my alcoholism and quit smoking pot like a chimney. A ex girlfriend of mine who was agoraphobic (afraid to leave her home) used it to learn to drive a car and appear on the news as a spokesperson for issues she felt strongly about. If you knew this girl you'd know that was miraculous because she's lovely but she was :eek::yell:. NLP has nothing to do with religion or a cult. It has to do with psychology and self improvement. Picture Anthony Robbins for instance.

    I like the people who said NLP has a lot of bullshit in it and its sort of like IM. Perfect analogy. IM and NLP, when its authentic and taught by a master who Wants You To Learn are extremely powerful cause it makes you independent and unstoppable. Therefore the teachers mostly hoard the secrets and charge an arm and the leg for the knowledge. And of course if money and power are involved there are going to be con men. Lots of con men. After years of looking I discovered one powerful example of real deal NLP taught by masters in a simple way that is CHEAP. The book is sold on ebay and retail stores and the testmonies on Amazon are no exaggeration.

    Good luck!

    http://www.amazon.com/NLP-New-Techn...=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1294616038&sr=1-1
     
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  14. pirondi

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    Your brain is not something Magic,it is like a tool,a software that has rules,limits and their own system.

    What happen when you understand how a tool works ? You can use her full capacity.

    This is why everyone need to study PNL,HYPNOSYS,PSYCHOLOGy...
     
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    I am a self developement junky. Studied NLP/hypnosis/psychology among other disciplines.

    The principles are like anything else in life. It all comes down to beliefs and perceptions.

    Whatever you can do to instill Empowering Beliefs is what's important.

    Two very important concepts are Reframing and Presupposition.

    You presuppose people are friendly and you are an awesome person. You reframe anything that is said to be something positive or fun even if it wasn't mean to be. These are insanely empowering beliefs that will draw great things into your life.

    The map is not the territory. You decide what map you want to draw.
     
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  16. dzejmsdin

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    ive tried that couple of years ago but quit it very quickly ;p