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What do you consider to be "GOOD" metrics for buying expired domains?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Swave, Mar 3, 2016.

  1. Swave

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    Whats crackin' ladies and gents?

    I'm looking for feedback on what you believe to be a "Good" starting point (in terms of metrics) when buying expired domains to build a PBN?

    Aside from the obvious things like trying to find domains with backlinks that are relevant to your moneysite niche, I'm currently looking for the following as a bare minimum (but I don't know if I'm aiming too high or not high enough)...

    TrustFlow: 15
    CitationFlow: 15
    DomainAuthority: 15
    PageAuthority: 20
    MozRank: 3
    DomainAge: 2 years +

    I can usually find several domains that meet this minimum criteria, but usually they have been blasted with Chinese SPAM and I don't know if they could be of any value even for 301.

    Anyone care to share?
     
  2. TayaX

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    Backlinking profile is important. You have to check how many authority sites are linking to your site, how many domains, the quality of each domains etc.
     
  3. jamesjk1

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    The metrics you listed aren't a bad starting point - provided they are spam-free.
    I would also add in the number of referring domains to your checklist. A minimum of ~30 should suffice.
     
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    I tend to believe 10 domains with PR or TF is better than 30 domains without, but once again, it's all about the backlinkinf profile. It has to be handpicked.
     
  5. jamesjk1

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    Of course it is. Though what I was actually pointing out was that you ideally want those aforementioned metrics with 30+ referring domains. I wouldn't bother with a domain with less than 10 referring domains, even if it had decent TF. FYI, PR is 'dead' so I'm not sure why you mentioned that.
     
  6. TayaX

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    PR is not dead. It's just not publicly refreshed. PR3 and + are a proof of a nice backlinking profile + aged domain.
     
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  7. Akandor

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    I would use Moz metrics and use more than 20 DA
     
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    Yes all these metrics should be good but they should match with their backlink profiles too.
     
  9. jamesjk1

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    That's what I meant by 'dead' - it's no longer publicly updated...
    I don't even know why I'm having this conversation, it's all common knowledge anyway.
     
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    The metrics are fine. Also, make sure to check the quality of the backlinks and history of the site.
     
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    Check the quality of backlink profile and quality of referring domains. If there is no issue in those aspects you're good to go.
     
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    To be honest with you, I would not even screw around with expired domains.

    You have to understand that the old trick of using dropped domains for their backlink inventory is only [/b]one Google

    update away from being obsolete[/b].

    I know this sounds like some sort of Armageddon or end- of -days type of scenario, but we've seen this before.

    Most SEO experts thought that Google will never look at links pointing to you and focus only on how you linked out to

    other websites.

    Well, Google Penguin dropped and a lot of people got wiped out.

    It's only a matter of time until Google releases an update that wipes out dropped domains' backlink dues.

    It's not like Google is unaware that people are using dropped domains to build backlink footprint.

    Stop looking for that kind of shortcut.

    There are still many other shortcuts available, but stop looking for that particular shortcut.
     
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  13. MLworkonline

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    I agree with blackbeans

    as someone who has spent A LOT of time surfing the internet outside of IM and SEO, google search has been going to shit again just like it was before penguin dropped. I can only find what I am looking for cuz i know Google-fu. the rest of the normies are lost. Time for an algo change.

    same goes for youtube currently. try searching for useful, interesting, artistic, informative, or thought provoking videos. good luck. Say hello to IMers spamming away. videos of a robot voice reading the news??? the fuck is that? fails that have been recycled to death?....the list of crap on there is literally endless. time for a purge.

    same for facebook. facebook is a corporation whose goal is to make money. yeeeeaaaah, sure they are going to keep looking away from PVA accounts spamming groups. It will be a massacre. they want you to use their advertising. time for another purge.

    dont get me started on the other social networks. the rivers will be red with blood and most normal people will be overjoyed when the networks cull 25% of their user base saying they were all spammer, scammer, and "cybercriminal" accounts.

    It's like following financial markets. the markets go up and up and up and people jump on the bandwagon, refusing to realize that markets do go down as well or that the rules will change. sure they make some money but then they lose their shirts when the market drops and they quit the market. they bought high and got screwed. a couple simple rules that apply tangentially to IM and SEO...."buy low, sell high" "buy when there is blood in the streets" "dont try to catch a falling knife"

    same thing happened after penguin. much moaning and gnashing of teeth and many people quitting. how many journey threads start with....well i did make money on IM back in (name year) and then google/youtube/facebook/etc changed and i lost everything. i quit. now its 5 years later and I'm back blahblah.

    I am waiting for that moment. When all the big SEO guys on BHW carpet bomb [HOW-TO]SEO and ranking guides and PBN guides all within ~4 weeks or the Facebook masters drop group-spam spoonfed guides left, right, and center my instincts say that the ride is going to stop and it will be sooner than later. Just like watching multi-national banks declare the markets are going up as they offload out of their positions. Goldman sachs comes out extolling the virtues of whatever fund and how to get in on it. Month later the fund has crashed. goldman sachs makes bank and everyone else loses.

    i bet my shirt it will be in 2016 and I am setting myself up to bank like hell when it happens.

    Buy clean properties. Buy expired domains only if they are impertive to your branding and only if they are perfectly clean and i mean PERFECT.
    make your OWN facebook groups and pages and grow them organically.
    Make your PBN sites REAL websites, not spam hubs.
    Same goes for Web 2.0s.
    Do outreach for real, current backlinks.

    like blackbeans said, "There are still many other shortcuts available, but stop looking for that particular shortcut."
     
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  14. TayaX

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    I believe spammy PBNs is close to an end.

    But buying an expired domain and rebuilding the same website it has will always work since the content & backlinks are genuine.

    The link juice might drop with the next updates, but PBN is still a cheap way to rank today.
     
  15. pressrelease

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    make sure it does not have any anchor backlinks in form of pharma viagra..
     
  16. Bahmer

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    Agreed except for the cheap part. Good PBN's are getting harder and harder to find, so they are getting more and more expensive.
     
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    1) Check Archive.org and discover if it spammed with Chinese or any other foreign content.
    2) Check AHREFs and look at its anchor texts. Make it doesn't have porn, pharma and chinese anchors.
    3) Have a look at their backlinks and referring domains. Get their metrics and discover if they are authoritative.

    I personally prefer clean backlink profile with 20+ high authority referring domains as backlinks. It works great PBN and even as a redirected BUFFER powered by SAPE : )
     
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  18. GGonzalez

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    You have acceptable bare minimum, I would also check if domains are still indexed and also ensure backlinks, whatever language they may be in are legit.
     
  19. C4blows

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    Good info, thanks guys!
     
  20. wokaka

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    i disagree about financial markets. the rules never change. in fact, it's the most static world i've ever seen in my life, and i've done a lot, including have my own offline stores. just because drawdowns happen and will always happen from time to time, does not mean the rules change and "old method" would not work anymore. rules actually stay the same, that's why a particular strategy that worked in 2010 can still work in 2016 (though only if that strategy has been tested through time), this is the part where people do not understand about financial markets. they have a losing month and they think it's all over. it's not. banks are making money out of people's pocket because most people refuse to understand this specific nature, they dont even need to do anything to manipulate and most people would lose on their own. in financial markets, when you have a bad month/quarter, does not mean the strategy does not work anymore. drawdown is part of the nature. the only way to know if the strategy might work again or might not work at all is by doing extensive researches and tests. that's the part most people cannot accept.

    because in business, when you have a bad quarter, you know "something is wrong" and you know you have to change. you cannot stick to what does not work anymore. in investment, changing your strategy over and over again actually would lead to destruction. investment and business are not the same world. in investment consistency in executing your strategy is the key, along with diversity, extensive tests, and risk management. in business, adapting to and finding the newest "loophole" is the key. it's pointless to study what worked in 2010 for business, especially internet business, but i guarantee you it is not pointless for "investment". again, these two are not the same, but most people tend to think they should have the same approach to both "investment" and "business".

    with that being said, i actually agree with your opinion regarding SEO. it'll always change, though at this time expiring domain for PBN still seem to work OK
     
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