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What do CPA networks check?

Discussion in 'CPA' started by PaperChase, Oct 10, 2008.

  1. PaperChase

    PaperChase BANNED BANNED

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    Hypothetically speaking, if I had a script that automatically submitted information to a cpa form, what would the affiliate manager and cpa network check for to ensure that it was a valid submission?

    Can they check to see if the email is even registered?
    Do they ensure that the IP where the form was submitted matches the state and zip that was entered?

    Just curious about these things.
     
  2. Entrepreneur

    Entrepreneur BANNED BANNED

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    I think you'll find they check a lot more than that. A simple script like that will get you busted in no time.
     
  3. PaperChase

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    The script will rotate IP after each submission, as well as spoof the referrer and the OS. It will also send non-converting traffic to the CPA form to bring down the CTR. I will also be getting real white had leads mixed in as well. My CTR will probably be half of the average.

    Anything else I am missing? I am mainly concerned they will try to match the IP with the location submitted in the form
     
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  4. aaappp3

    aaappp3 Newbie

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    If I were running a CPA network I'd check every single IP to see if it's a proxy or not and then verify the geographic location of the IP and refuse payment for IPs that don't qualify.
     
  5. bhnoobz

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    i've spent the past week with a compliance person from a top network. you morons are nowhere close. i am more than happy to pass on whatever information i can because i can not stand people that defraud networks. they only cause more problems for legitimate people. fuck off and die. :)
     
  6. havokb8

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    what are you saying you narc on people?

    rad
     
  7. cnwelf

    cnwelf Regular Member

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    Occupation:
    seek for Cpa accounts
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    them will check:
    EMail .name.SSN.
    alexa....................
     
  8. Keedev

    Keedev Regular Member

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    Hes talking about a offer form I believe, not an affiliate signup :p
     
  9. PaperChase

    PaperChase BANNED BANNED

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    What the fuck is your problem? Are you the CPA police or something? If you don't like what you are reading then get the fuck out out of a Black Hat forum.
     
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  10. PaperChase

    PaperChase BANNED BANNED

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    After cooling off and thinking about this objectively, can I petition to get this guy banned by a moderator? He is an obvious threat to everyones security in this forum, as he does have connections with top networks if he wanted to get some of his competition in trouble.
     
  11. antsaoo

    antsaoo Supreme Member

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    Well dont be so rude on him , maybe you miss understood.

    I think i could agree a bit , not da pr0 tho but it will make it harder for legit people. Even for blackhat stuff

    but you should not judge others so fast ;) maybe he wants give more info about his thoughts or so ;)


    well cool idea tho, but legit is more fun ofc with some automation


    if every could reach all their dreams insta what would be reason for living anymore ?
     
  12. MaxSteve

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    PaperChase, you'll get caught and booted. No network is going to tell an affiliate how they catch fraud - why would the network choose to educate people on how to cheat and steal? So you certainly aren't going to get more than guesses from people here.

    I can tell you the #1 thing that will get you caught, that's pretty public domain: YOUR LEADS ARE FAKE! Merchants aren't as stupid as you might think.

    *sigh* if people like you spent half as much time figuring out how to make money legimately as you do figuring out how to steal, you'd make MORE in the long run.
     
  13. shaqsquash

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    Thats what it sounds like. Dude needs to calm the fuck down. This is a BH forum after all. WTF does he expect.
     
  14. havokb8

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    oh no not you again................
     
  15. shaqsquash

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    You have no idea guy. There are whole elaborate systems that work around the system and are pretty effective at covering their tracks. Most networks, even bigger networks would'nt be able to catch on.

    Part of the reason is because risk is spread around. If your from a network yourself you'd know there are quite a few networks out there my dude.
     
  16. Keedev

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    Jebus...

    Well you can always dummy test an ad network maybe for a couple months.. A lot of networks seem to scrub earnings even when their pure WH leads. So just figures whatever tactics that are being used, are not effective against distinguishing most good from bad.. I would study the in's-and-out's of using this type of script, before I would take part in it.
     
  17. bhnoobz

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    lol

    people that steal money from networks are not people , they are pieces of shit. i don't rat out anyone directly because I don't know anyone doing that. I don't associate with morons and scumbags. I am friends with some people and i assist them in finding morons that like to steal. My friends feel that all the time wasted by people trying to avoid being caught stealing could be applied to earn more money legitimately.
     
  18. bhnoobz

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    you're a clueless idiot. people that steal from networks are not my competition, i have a personal disdain for their chosen path. :)
     
  19. maxk

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    Having worked for a couple of CPA networks in the past I can tell you a couple of things.

    #1: There will probably be loose software-level validation of your leads. i.e. checking to make sure that not too many are coming from the same IP / have the same information, making sure the Zip code is valid. Some more complicated offers like mortgage leads will sometimes include street address lookup and/or phone number verification, but this is rare.

    #2: If a few BS leads get through, most networks will pay for them anyway. This is sometimes on an offer-for-offer or advertiser-for-advertiser basis. Some leads are reviewed by / followed-up on by hand before being paid for. (Or afterwards, invoking chargebacks.) In general, if the lead is really simple (name / email / phone number / zip) it probably won't be verified very strongly.

    #3: If too many BS leads get through, you'll probably be banned or have your payout reduced.

    In general, if you're already providing a lot of leads to a particular affiliate, noone's going to notice if you inflate your leads by 1 - 5% or possibly even 10%+ in some cases, as long as you rotate IPs, keep the information relativley believable, and are sending quality leads along with the BS ones.

    Best of luck!
     
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  20. aaappp3

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    Stealing is when you take what doesn't belong to you. I think the word you were looking for was "conning" or "scamming". And that, my friend, is the cost of doing business. If an advertiser wants the opportunity to make millions from the efforts of legitimate hardworking whitehats then the price they must pay is that some blackhats will come along and take a percentage of those millions.

    As for your "earn more money legitimately" quip, you don't seem to understand that blackhatting is not what we do, it's what we are.