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What are you experiences/opinions about adscendmedia?

Discussion in 'CPA' started by SilverKnight, Jun 8, 2011.

  1. SilverKnight

    SilverKnight Power Member

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    I recently got accepted to adscendmedia. I wanna know what people think about them before I start working with them.

    What are you experiences/thoughts/opinions about them?

    Also, what do you think about their email/zip submit offers because that's what I'm going to start with. Do they shave leads?

    BTW, what exactly does shaving a lead mean? Somebody completes an offer and the conversion doesn't show up in your stats or the leads disappear from your stats after you have seen them in your stats? Like for example today I have a total of 10 leads. Tomorrow I sign in and see that there are 7 leads, that means that 3 leads have been shaved? How do you know your leads are being shaved?


    Anyone here from US kind enough to test an email submit offer for me? I'll be very grateful.
     
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  2. johnwoo

    johnwoo Power Member

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    i had some problems similar like yours with them in past.
     
  3. SilverKnight

    SilverKnight Power Member

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    What problems did you have?
     
  4. Fakker

    Fakker Regular Member

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    Hi,

    I am with them since 3 months.

    PROS

    1. They are specialized in content gateway, so they have a great choice of content locking, files hosting and even point sites APIs
    2. They do pay :)
    3. They have a reasonable coverage in terms of international offers

    CONS

    1. At least my AM, sounds like totally incompetent from a tech standpoint. To clear tech issues you need to speak to tech and their support sucks.
    2. I have no idea on how you can tell they shave. Only thing I know is that many offers do not convert at all
    3. They DO NOT have any pure zip submit
    4. They DO have email submits, but many of those are more complicate than they seem as it's just more than email submit; user must provide home address and phone number or complete extra offers
    So be very careful and test each offer you want to go for as the pure email submits are really few.


    I haven't started BH seriously yes, but overall feeling is that asdcendmedia is not best CPA for BH.


    If someone could explain how to tell shaved offer, I would be really grateful.
     
  5. SilverKnight

    SilverKnight Power Member

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    Thanks for the detailed answer. How can I differentiate between pure email submit offers and offers that require as you said home address and phone number etc too?



    Anyone here from US kind enough to test an email submit offer for me? I'll be very grateful.
     
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  6. islandman1010

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    Adscend do pay on time and I do like their gateway. Easy to use and they do have a lot of offers. I have used 4 content networks and always the highest returns for similar traffic has been with Adscend. They dont like much to do with Facebook traffic though and will jump on you fast for any fake content etc.
     
  7. Fakker

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    You need to test them.
    Manually.
    One by one.

    Certainly do NOT go for the Aldaniti offers, as those require extra offer, and the battlefield3/cataclysm/black ops as those require email+phone+address.
     
  8. ericsson

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    What the fuck is the problem..

    Login and choose FIRST PAGE SUBMIT. There u go.. All offers with one page submit.. :)

    Yes, for 2 years ago they were pretty ok, no hazzle at all.. Then they started to strict everything up... I mean go from soft porn to nothing in 1 day, what´s the problem..

    Atleast they could have talked to me on AIM before they removed my gateway from it..

    I had to fucking email them to ask why...

    Support was outstanding with Fehz and Jeremy, they keep talking to you in private on AIM, now.. u ain´t get any help at all..

    What more can i say ?? ....
    CPA Networks are always that helpful in the beginning, then they leave you in the shithole..
     
  9. Fakker

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    Ericsson, as far as I know their AMs problem is being understaffed.

    My AM told me each AM has over 5.000 affiliates!

    When I AIM with her she barely read what I typed so that I must type very SHORT sentences or she will respond nonsense.
    More than once I must have raised my voice and ask "Have you read before responding?".

    Emails are useless unless you shout on AIM to read them.


    Hard to build a relationship on these conditions....
     
  10. SilverKnight

    SilverKnight Power Member

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    Anyone from USA here who can help me test an email zip submit offer? I want to see if it actually does convert at the email submit.
     
  11. ericsson

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    Fakker. Tss... Understaffed my ass.

    I guess all Affiliates have that girl as AM.. Enough story..

    Fehz And Jeremy don´t do anything.... I think Candice is her name, right?
     
  12. islandman1010

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    Mine is Michael...did have Candice before
     
  13. Fakker

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    :D


    No.

    But still, you are slamming an open door with me on that.
    Essence is that they are too incompetent to be there and spend their days on copy&pasting same answer to everyone.

    "Your download may not convert because you are using a firewall or a proxy"

    "This offer is doing pretty well for top pubs" [So what?!? What counts is that it's doing CRAP for me!]

    "I will send you a list of top converting offers" [F**k! I am not asking for a list of top converting offers, I am asking WHY this bloody offer is NOT converting!]
     
  14. poola

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    Every CPA has got both the good and bad side. It's up to you to know what you want in terms of offers and payment
     
  15. Autumn

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    PROS:
    They pay and on time.
    The owner posts here so they're not entirely BH-unfriendly.
    They take my spammy traffic without complaint.

    CONS:
    They had major downtime issues for a while and they refused to properly admit they had a problem.
    Support is absolutely awful and I haven't been able to get a reply out of them.
    Some offers inexplicably convert like crap (it seems like some particular advertisers scrub the hell out of your leads).
    As with most CPA programs, conversions on a new offers are great but then fall off. This is quite possibly a reflection of my shitty traffic and the advertisers scrubbing, however.
    Many people claim Adscend shaves, but ALL programs shave a bit.
    They have taken down offers in the past with very little or no warning and totally killed lucrative campaigns.

    They're OK (average) in my book but I'll continue to send them some traffic because they pay and I already have campaigns set up going there.
     
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  16. Fakker

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    Wow, good news! ;)

    Can I ask a very noob question?
    Any difference between scrub and shave?


    100% agreed!

    That was crazy!
    I believe at that time they were not checking most offers for long and they decided to take a whole bunch of offers down all in a shot!
     
  17. Autumn

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    Scrub = when the advertiser doesn't credit you for a lead because they think it's not legit for some reason (or they claim to think it's not legit). All networks / advertisers admit to a certain level of scrubbing and in some cases they might class it as part of fraud control.

    In reality (bad leads aside), they will take a measure of the profitability of your leads on their back end, then scrub your leads until you're profitable for them. If you send 100 leads at $1 each that are really profitable, the advertiser won't scrub you and they'll pay you the proper amount for you leads ($100), because they want you to keep sending traffic. In some cases they might even give you a pay bump to get you sending more traffic.

    If your leads aren't so profitable, they'll scrub some of your leads so they only end up paying you the amount that stays profitable for them; for example, they might scrub half your leads so they only have to pay you for 50 of them ($50, so it's still profitable for the advertiser).

    That's why offers often convert great to start with (because the advertiser doesn't know how profitable your leads are going to be for them), but then conversions appear to drop off after the first pay period, once they have run the numbers on how profitable your traffic is.

    Shaving = outright theft, when the advertiser or network just never credits you for a lead or leads simply because they want to keep the money for themselves. The common wisdom says that everyone shaves.

    Essentially they both mean the same thing, ie. less money in your pocket, but scrubbing is considered somewhat more "legit," whilst no one ever admits to outright shaving.
     
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  18. Fakker

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    Thanks for that.

    That explains a lot in terms of why I am getting less than 3% conversion after an initial period when I was doing well!
     
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    thanks for explaining scrubbing and shaving! i wasn't sure what they meant either! very helpful. :)
     
  20. x1985

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    Its dissappointing to hear these negative remarks about Adscendmedia- I was ready to work with them. But I guess you are all right that every CPA network will have its positives and negatives.
    Do you think its better to work with a company like this or buy a content locker from one of the BH members?