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What are the origins of link juice?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by gman777, Dec 21, 2016.

  1. gman777

    gman777 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    I know it sounds like a stupid question, but is there an origin from where link juice comes?

    For example website a has links from site b and c, while these 2 have links from site f,g,h,i etc.

    From where it starts?
     
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    Gotta ask Google.

    But I think every site has a base amount of "link juice" this is why web 2.0s help you rank.

    You then get more link juice when other sites link to you.
     
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    if you have unique content your link juice is automatically increased for other as much you got visitor the power of your link is increased.
     
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    The origin of link juice is from new websites and blogs.
     
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    Adam and Eve, you didn't know that?
     
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    Google software started to search all the indexed the page to find the keyword that you have entered.

    You have understood the concept of spiders, crawlers indexing for a detailed answer.



    Matt cuts said, “ Initial stage google takes page rank is primarily determined”.
     
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    Domain authority of an website, page authority of the webpage increases based on link juice passed by link backs, link back websites I.e. domine level external links, relevant external links (web 2.0 sites, social networks, niche blog, business listings, blog commenting, .edu, .org,.gov domains).
     
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    I believe, each link has some base juice, which is multiplied and processed by gazillion of variables. Then it can become negative (or pass negative flags) or highly valuable and heavy.

    At least that's how it settles in my head.
     
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    All pages start with zero.

    When a link from A to B is found, it marks B=1. When B to C is found it marks C = 1.

    Their system does this for all the webpages for about 10 to 20 times until the values of A, B, C and so on don't change much any more. When that is over, each page will have a number.

    The biggest number of all is then taken to be PR 10 and the lowest number of all (probably zero) is taken to be PR 0.

    A log scale is then fit into this, from 0 to 10, where 10 means as many links as the site with most links, and 0 means zero.

    You can play with this with just a few links, using pen and paper, and see how pagerank and link juice works with as little as 10 sites written on paper.

    If more people understood this system, they'd find it much easier to understand why silo structures work, why certain sites rank with few links and so on. This stuff is from 1999 and it hasn't changed much. The display of PR we see changed a lot, but not the underlying ideas.
     
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    Hey OP,

    The concept of Page Rank, link juice and all of that derived directly straight from Google's search patent which they published years ago and can be viewed right here!

    In the patent description there are several images which show the flow of link-juice between pages and illustrate how each page is affected based on it's outbound and inbound link pattern.


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    Hope this helps all of those who were wondering! :)

    Warm Regards,
    Mark
     
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  11. gman777

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    Ok, but if you add a link to an external site, how does the link gets shared?

    If there are 2 OBL, will the link juice be split among these 2 links? Or do they get the same individual power?

    Also, will the main website lose power if it will pass link juice to other websites? Like, will it lose ranking?
     
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    Yes, the link juice will get split between the links. If it were the same, we could have a 10000000 OBL and it would still be effective. Use a common sense mate. :)

    And yes, each outbound link reduces the link juice contained within the website, so if you overdo it, you can lose rankings, yes.

    It's not that hard concept to understand. Imagine you have a 10x10 room with windows. All windows are closed. You have a heater running in the middle of the room. Imagine this heater is your backlink profile. The room is nice and warm an deverything is fine. Now open the first window (your fist outbound link) and room is slowly getting a bit colder. Now open the second, third and fourth and 15th and 50th and your room will get pretty cold, despite the heater still running. Do you have a better idea about it now? :)
     
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    Hi there,

    It doesn't sound stupid actually. A brilliant question though. It is kind of looping - It starts with the site which doesn't have back links,

    example: Site A's juice from Site B <- Site C .. it ends at a point with a site which doesn't have back links.

    If you want a detailed answer we are ready to help.

    Thanks
     
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    If you got any backlinks from other sites, those sites metrics will reflect and help your site to get good performance on SEO.It can be described as Link juice and yes it will be more important for the site ranking.
     
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    this is a chicken and egg question

    but you dont have be an electronic engineer to watch tv