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what are my chances of survival in cpa with WH only?

Discussion in 'CPA' started by the_punisher, Dec 12, 2009.

  1. the_punisher

    the_punisher Power Member

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    K so just wanted to ask, what my chances are in cpa cash making if im only doing white hat.. like strictly white hat and no black hat..

    is anyone here making some good money from cpa with WH only?

    cuse i recently joined a cpa network and put relevant email submit banners on my high traffic blogs but im getting click but no actions.. no conversions..

    just wanted to aske before i look back at these days and wished i hadnt wasted this time with cpa...

    so should i quit now and go back to crappy adsense or should i move forward?
     
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    Being WH usually means you'll have to spend (a lot of) money in order to gain targetted visitors that are interested in your offers and even then your conversion rate will be much lower then when running a BH campaign, you can get the right audience with PPC/PPV [PPC probably being the higher converting one] but you will blow your budget and time in the beginning to find out what could work for you. Then you have to make sure you're earning more than you're spending. If you already have decent traffic WH sites, be sure to build email lists. Then hand out some candy (relevant offers) to them once every while. At the other hand; it may seem like WH is more difficult than BH but I've found both to be equally difficult, there's no 'easy' way in IM.
     
  3. dietbird

    dietbird Junior Member

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    You can always try incentive offers. Sure, they pay less, but they convert a lot better, and you can place almost any offer on any site.

    The only real difference between BH and WH CPA marketing is the PAY and the PROFIT :)
     
  4. Alex Brooks

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    Try using offers related to your blog.
     
  5. customs

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    I solely use exit popups on my thematic sites (with thematic offers ofcourse). It turns to $60-$100 daily from 5k-7k hits.
     
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    Jcsarokin Power Member

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    You can make money with whitehat... A lot, yet you need to know what your doing.

    Its easier to make $ w/ whitehat when we are not in a recession though. That may play a part in why everyones going BH
     
  7. knaox

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    You can definitely roll out a sick WH campaign, but capital for the project is going to help. As mentioned, you can drive targeted traffic via PPC, but if you don't know what you're doing, you're going to burn through cash with little results. If you want to maximize your CPA potential doing white hat only methds, you're going to need targeted traffic, and PPC is probably the best way to do this, especially is your offer is only targeting users from specific countries.

    An alternative would be media advertising with a backlink, like a YouTube video, or even free articles if you're creative enough. You don't really need to focus on an exact niche to promote the CPA offer, think more about demographics and likely conversion.

    If you want bulk traffic, create a post about whatever your main CPA offer is and get someone to get it to the front page of Digg. There's 40-60,000+ hits if the article is actually quality. In this case, a 1% conversion on a $2.60 offer brings in about $1500. Not bad if you're paying $100-250 for a Digg front page.

    So with a stupid amount of traffic there's bound to be some conversions.

    Hope this helps! :D
     
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  8. Lukedell

    Lukedell Junior Member

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    If anything, CPA should be easier then other forms of Internet Marketing because your traffic don't need to purchase anything, they simply have to enter information for you to get paid.

    I'm sure you would find it easier to get someone to sign up, enquire etc for more information on what you are marketing then it would be to convince them to pull out their credit cards and purchase what you are promoting.
     
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    gooser898 Regular Member

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    Some of the money you make with your BH campaigns should be reinvested into your WH campaigns. Because WH is long term and BH is unpredictable. You never know how long it will last.

    And of course you can make loads of money using WH techniques. The difference is it takes a lot longer to generate a decent income.
     
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    exactly, have WH cpa accounts and BH accounts, and reinvest BH money into WH campaigns fot the long hall. GREAT POINT! well at least that's what I do.
     
  11. the_punisher

    the_punisher Power Member

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    thx.. but what are exit popups.. are they the same hover pages kind of scripts that roll over when you open a page?
    how do i make exit popups.... and i know what thematic sites are but what are thematic offers?
     
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  12. blackma

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    what are your chances doing it blackhat??
     
  13. amsterdamned

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    So ideally you use BH to kickstart your WH projects and once they run just reinvest the earned money on WH techniques. At least thats what I do.
    Good luck!
     
  14. the_punisher

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    i read a few ebooks on cpa and all of them were about doing it the black hat way, incentoives, zip lockups, ewhoring.. etc

    i never did any BH.. thats why i asked if it could be done WH..

    ill try the exit popups method.. maybe i was doing it wrong :/

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    im noob but it seems some dudes on WF are banking pretty good with WH
     
  16. BlackBlackBlack

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    That's a big part of it. I used to run an affiliate network and I know one WHer whos income is down big time since she was promoting a luxury type of product that no one really needed but was nice to have.

    My suggestion is to focus on problem solving products and offers. (diet, make money, vanity medical issues.....

    You could also go the CPL route

    Hope this helps
     
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    lmao this pic is soo funny... made me laugh...

    The two birds must be like WTF?
     
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    This pic explains it all, you need to know what are you doing to make $$$ wh
     
  19. voglia

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    Great Thread! It seems over at that other IM forum...anytime anyone asks a question like this, they just get flamed and told to F off for no reason.

    I have been doing CPA WH ONLY for a while now and it can be tough but I am making a solid income at this point...Its all about finding niches and scaling. and requires a TON of testing and trialing!

    PPC as mentioned is good but with all the recent google bans and slaps you really need tools like PPC Loophole in order to give google exactly what they want.

    You can get good volume on Yahoo as well but I have also tried Bing and the secon tier engines like Miva and 7serch but havent seen signifigant search volume with them...google is still the PPC game even though it is ONLY like 15% TO 20% of the overall available traffic for internet marketers

    CPV or PPV traffic when targeting URLs can be really strong as will and less costly than PPC.... If you serach for torrents on Gauher Chaudhrys courses they are worth looking at....with the right CPA offer lazer targeted to the right URLs with CPV...conversions can be sweet!

    I have found the following to be the best courses and all can be found for f*ee on the web if you search

    PPC Formula
    PPV Formula
    Traffic Evolution - Media Buying
    Zero Friction Marketing - Hybrid of PPC, PPV and Media
    Dirty CPA - Hybrid of PPC, PPV and Media

    I believe you need Speed PPC (PPC Loophole) to do PPC well and you need a KW spy tool like ispionage or KW Spy as well in order to succeed long term

    For PPV I think you need AffPortal ( or a similar robust url scraper)and must be in the Media Traffic and Traffic Vance Networks for the best quality traffic.

    Media buying can be done on the cheap...and Traffic Evolution really lays this out well. He outlines like his top 9 or 10 sources...most with $200 or $300 minimums to open...I like Ad Sonar to but target carefully or you can burn thru some clicks in a big hurry ;-)

    just my 2 cents
     
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  20. webdesign

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    It is very possible WH, with hard work & determination... But once your earning with WH, you generally stay earning consistently, unlike it's dark brother, BH. That's why advise you stay with WH methods as your main income & of course some BH, but low risk BH.

    I can't say I'm earning a large amount of money yet, just going by everything I've read in the past year.