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what are experienced guys looking for in auction pbn domains?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by dennis11209, Aug 6, 2017.

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  1. dennis11209

    dennis11209 Junior Member

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    Hi guys and gals, let me start by saying despite having 16 years in the field I and we all know the game changes constantly.

    I am not making this post to sell domains, I am looking for help in bringing my business to the next level. I have been a scraper and seller of domains online for a number of years and due to some players claiming scraped domains no longer work, my business became almost non-existent. I know they work and many people reading this know they work even if it means waiting a while before linking out from a rebuilt pbn.

    Selling as a scraper gave me burnout (I am sure sellers here in BHW feel my pain LOL) trying to sell my time involved for pennies on the dollar and then misinformed new folks to the industry threaten to hang your hard built reputation due to lack of their own experience and refusal to test.

    I guess what I am saying is that the break from daily orders gave me time to rethink why I have been working harder instead of smarter.

    I intend to better spend my time scraping and fishing out the true gems. Gems that come by 5-10 times in a 12 hour brutal day + expenses in my setup.

    It is time I earn the correct money I deserve and step up my services and offerings by distancing myself from folks without the budget that seo really requires nowadays.

    My dilemma is that it appears everyone has flocked to the auctions.... aside from better metrics and links on the auction domains, what else are your or the recommended requirements? I mean aren't the auction domains dropped as well? aren't they without a website as well?

    Based on my thoughts and your anticipated help I will decide the first avenues to try. Please share your thoughts, I will greatly appreciate it :)

    Thank you Thank you!

    The options on my mind:

    1) just selling these gems in the auctions even though it is no different than selling a premium scraped domain in a marketplace... only I will be registering them, doing the push and getting a good bit more money and not having to deal direct with clients as much.

    2) restoring the archive site and selling on flippa if allowed (maybe some risk or issue with that)

    3) building a relevant new site on the domain, getting it indexed and selling it on flippa


    I am leaning toward option 1 on godaddy.... but just not sure nowadays what you veterans are looking for other than spam free, great metrics from both moz and majestic, mostly branded anchors, your niche etc.

    This whole scraped domains dont work theory kind-of implies in my head that then auction domains don't work either.... so what is the distinct difference that my domains will need to posses in order to be a valuable auction domain that works in the mind of the buyer. Do I need to build out the archive site and get it indexed only to have it redirected to a godaddy auction splash page while for sale on the auction?

    BY THE WAY: when I say premium domain I do mean good affordable pbn.... not a DA50 with 100rd's, but spotless through its archive history, proper branded anchors, and I expect to get no less than $100 range but in some cases wouldnt mind auction to drive it up to double that. example perhaps: trust 15-25, DA 15-20+, and real nice rd's.... typical $30 scraped domains I have sold over the years have only 3 rd's with any value... these have 10rd's with trust in the 20's + more...very good affordable auction domains is what I would call them
     
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    I look for sites which have been dropped naturally...means owners no longer wanted to continue with their sites and hence expired....these sites have been doing organically though, in the past
     
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    thanks @SmartseoIndia, can you elaborate on how you make this determination? you buy domains with only 1 drop that literally just occurred in the same week (sounds like a backorder domain but from the auction)? I understand in theory yes we want a domain practically transferred from the one and only owner and for it to be cheap and for it to have amazing metrics, but in my thoughts, that is far and few between in the real world of the auctions especially if you require certain niche or metrics or rd's and if you need lets say 10-20 this week for a new client.
     
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    You can buy such domains in godaddy auctions....you can buy lot of such domains under $100
     
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    thanks again for sharing your experience. I will take some time this week to see what kind of profiles you are talking about. Last I checked for domains like I am speaking about, they commonly hit prices in the hundreds of dollars and since then (a few years ago) I have heard and been under the impression that the "scraped domain dont wrok" bandwagon has driven prices 2 and 3 fold.
     
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    I use moonsy....i try searching with some set of different keywords...then i filter them based on da/pa/tf, link profile and archive history.
     
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    You have no idea how much I can relate to this.

    Auction domains may or may not be dropped, but honestly, there's minimal difference between dropped and expired and all that. As long as domain is mostly deindexed, which auction domains are, it stop to matter. I know, that's pretty tough to explain to simpler people.

    As a domain seller I have been lucky, that most people here in BHW do not believe in bullshit.

    1 - I do not think you will be able to sell regular scraped domains through auctions. They are way to weak for that. Also, registration is $10, listing domain on Godaddy for example is $10 or so, they take 20% of the profit etc. and unless your domains have high metrics, they won't sell. People working with auctions have learned how to check the history of the domains as well so, basically, even if you get your hands on, for example, TF20 RD30 domain, which is already close to impossible to get in a clean state nowadays, you will get $20 for it at best.

    2 - The Flippa idea may be better, but unless site makes money already, it won't sell. Plus Flippa has such a terrible exposure, that you would have to pay $50+ to even get any views.

    3 - Same as number 2.

    All in all, if this worked, I would be doing it myself a long time ago.
     
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    Thanks Nargil for your share. I certainly understand your mindset but if my clients have been steered to the auctions by the guys they look up to then they must have raised their requirements in some way. And I again hear your pain (I am there with you bro) but stepping back I dont think there are any domains worth getting for $20-$30 on godaddy (as a buyer) or else you and I would have never had a business selling scraped domains for $15-$50 (to give an idea I was in the low 6 figures and was ready to bring it to 1/4 million$).

    I guess what I am saying is these are used cars and I have extensive experience in finding the very best of what is in the junk yard. Those domains that had a low trust during drop because of a majestic miscrawl of the top few links as example then dropped and now found and majestic also found the links and restored the metric.... again it is a numbers game and what I am talking about is approximately and almost literally 1 in a million.

    That said.... I would rather spend my time improving these 1 in a million crashed up cars (I cant handle excessive stress anymore LOL; health issues and family deserve my time), rebuilding them not in a sneaky way but in a way to make it more out of the box for the consumer. As example I can add a few permanent safe links and yes majestic will show those particular links are under a year old. But to the consumer there will also be those high value x 10+ aged links in addition to aged buffer links plus great majestic metrics (not that any tool metrics mean much sh**) and here is the icing.... nice DA which is never found on spam free scraped domains except for that 1 in a million I am speaking about.

    Ultimately I will obviously have to visit the auctions and I too have toyed with the idea a couple years back. But no matter how you think about it the flock went to the auctions, auction domains notoriously have sold for $100 and up and I would thinK are likely selling for more than ever before so my goal is to auction domains that are highly comparable to what folks (SEO'S) are now in search of and perhaps for a little less.

    There is a big enough market for professionals like you and me to truly earn what we deserve for our experience and skill-sets. We just have to bring to the table what the demand requires :)

    **One thing I have learned in many years of business is to give them what they want and not what they need (actually give them both lol). If that can be done while providing a great domain, making more and working less, then we are rockstars!