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Well I did it...number 1 on MSN for a highly competitive word...but trouble at work...

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by sapmi, May 27, 2008.

  1. sapmi

    sapmi Junior Member

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    Hi Guys,

    Haven't posted here in ages, because I've been making money on PPI lol.

    Anyhow, as you guys are probably aware, I work for a credit reference agency in the UK. What it is, I cold call businesses offering my services...
    bloody hate it :(

    Any how, I've been try to put my own site up, advertising the service I cold call for.....using a competitive keyword. Bloody hard work!!!!! Got Jo Tierneys Blog Generator, posted on some .edu and submitted to PAD sites for backlinks, plus used RSSevolution to generate loads of pages for internal links...

    Google have been bloody fussy, but I am getting there ;) ....Yahoo is acting strangely...

    But..........I am on the first page on MSN out of 155,000,000!! Now I'm getting enquiries....however.....the marketing manager found my site (lol) and really kicked off....this is what she said:

    "As a company we have a policy of never advertising prices on the internet ? otherwise we would do it on our own website. To be honest with you I didn?t find this site via google and couldn?t find it by putting in any keywords that we would use, therefore I?m not convinced that it works. However this is besides the point and I cannot condone anybody taking it upon themselves to carry out such a marketing campaign without any consultation with myself. I am working particularly hard on the subject of SEO and actions like this just undo the work I am doing"

    A very bitter lady.....how can she say it doesn't work when she found my site and people are calling me?? Its like me saying the sky is blue...and she is swearing blind the sky is red..............

    Anyhow.........I'm toying around with the thought of quitting this job and doing SEO and PPI full time....... I have one other term that is number 2 on google - (UK though)............the question is.........

    Have I done enough to prove to small businesses that I can do their SEO for them? I know I could get more top positions, but with my day job and PPI haven't had a chance to do more......

    Just looking for some nice input from someone who has been in the same position as me.............and now I can't stand cold calling!! And I am on a warning for not selling........


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  2. blackhatttt

    blackhatttt Regular Member

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    I think that you should try doing SEO for other people. Because I believe that you have done somethings to show that you are good at SEO.

    But if I were you I would actually keep my job because it is near impossible to predict if someone will let you to their SEO for them.
     
  3. oscarslater

    oscarslater Regular Member

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    maybe do lead gen for some people in a similar field

    you risk getting caught and sacked but prob risk that just now anyway

    you could also stick some CPA offers up around the same keyword/industry

    hope that helps

    os....
     
  4. sapmi

    sapmi Junior Member

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    Thanks Guys for your replies so far,

    Now I could lose my job anyway for either:
    1) Lack of sales
    or
    2) This business with being number 1 on MSN.

    So I may not have a choice of keeping my job Hate it anyway!! CPA sounds good, perhaps cookie stuffing for various things...I haven't checked the traffic in weeks....spending a a lot of time doing Pay per Install!


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  5. netrepreneur

    netrepreneur Newbie

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    Hey Sapmister,

    I'd definitly leave the job asap - You shouldnt be working for someone anyone like that she is backward not forward! Regards doing seo definitly go for it but make sure you are offering white hat seo services to your customers at worst grey! I wouldnt use those tools to promote other people's business websites. They could have a negative effect!

    Wishing you the best & congrats on your results so far :)
     
  6. creztor

    creztor Power Member

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    sapmi, if money isn't a problem then leave. If money is a problem and you are unhappy there, why not get another job elsewhere doing something that you only hate say 50% instead of the 200% like your current job (not being a smart arse, I know how you feel about your job, I feel the same way about mine). Then at least you can pay the bills and as some other people said above, maybe do some SEO work for other people and then when you have proven 1000% you know what you are doing and have maybe a line of reliable clients you could tell your boss where to go. Just a suggestion.
     
  7. sapmi

    sapmi Junior Member

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    Netpren,

    Your post put a little warm feeling in my tummy. Thanks for that! My MSN thing was Greyish White hat. I did not use PR storm lol
    I used blogg submitters and PAD...but are they overly Blackhat? Now Xrumer and PR Storm..would be for my 'personal' use only lol


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  8. interpro

    interpro Registered Member Premium Member

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    If you're like most people, you need the income your job provides, so why not keep the job for the paycheck while you get your SEO business off the ground. That way, you'll still have money to cover your expenses and when your SEO business starts producing enough cash, you can drop your day job.

    Many years ago, I found myself in a similar situation - I had a job that I didn't really like, with a boss that was a real jerk, and the money wasn't that good. But I couldn't just quit, since I was living from paycheck to paycheck.

    I started taking on little side projects, just evenings and weekends to make some extra money. My first project took me about 3 weeks to complete (part time) and I made $400. Then, a friend turned me on to another project that took me about 6 months to do, while keeping my regular job. In that 6 month period, I made $45,000. Not too bad, considering that I only made $24,000 a year for my full time job!

    I started advertising my skills and found more business than I could handle. Needless to say, I gave up my day job and never looked back.

    The point I'm trying to make is to protect your paycheck as much as you can so your living expenses will be covered. It's hard enough starting a new business - you don't want to complicate things with money troubles. Perhaps you can do something at work to make your boss happy with you, just to take the pressure off for a while - maybe bust your butt for a few days and bring in some new business. Anything to get you out of hot water.

    Once you get things straightened out on the job, you can start promoting your own business activities. As far as SEO services, do you have a plan about finding customers? Having the ability to perform a useful service is good, but without paying customers, you'll go nowhere.

    Are you a member of the WarriorForum? If not, you should join. It's free and you'll learn a lot about other people's experiences that may be similar to your own. And you'll find some good tips about getting your business started. They even have a section that's devoted to member's offers. You could offer to do SEO and if your deal is good enough, you'll have several people interested in hiring you.

    You never know - you could be quitting your dreadful day job sooner than you think!
     
  9. Diabolik

    Diabolik Newbie

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    They'd be stupid to fire you at this point seeing as you're outranking them and generating leads. You should hint that their competitors might just appreciate you more...or you could threaten them with a nicely SEO'd "hate site" and compete on their brand name.

    My motto is "Fuck it before it fucks you."
     
  10. h1dd3n

    h1dd3n Regular Member

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    ^ exactly.

    tell her that if she fires you, her competitors will be all over that page.
    if she does fire you, walk over to your competitors and show your listing, tell them you want a cut of their profits + become their employee and stick their links/ads/contact info all over the page. there starts your affiliate marketing + seo biz. do some more seo for your new employer, and tell them for extra $$ you can do some negative seo on everyone else.
    knowing seo is pretty damn powerful!