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Webs2Be Turned out to be a scammer (#1 in 4 days SEO guy) Scammed my $100

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  1. futurestunner

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    Remember http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/members/427566-webs2be.html the guy who claim to be "So called" #1 SEO expert,

    he promised me he'll get my existing site to top 3 for 4 keywords in 14 days
    those 4 keywords site was already on top 15. and main keyword site had #6

    he asked $180 for the task with 100% moneyback guarantee if he did not deliver on #3 for those 4 keywords

    so far, my site is now
    #9 for the keyword it had #6 before he started working
    out for 50 rest of keywords

    Backlink: nothing done as per ahrefs report.

    all i got is excuses from him.



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    [29-10-2012 AM 08:18:12] Instagram Guru: dude you there?[29-10-2012 AM 08:18:47] Instagram Guru: get back to me asap!
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:30:43] Brandon: Hey how are you doing?
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:31:20] Instagram Guru: yeah 'm fine.
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:31:28] Instagram Guru: btw, i got a job for you.
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:31:38] Brandon: Sure, what do you need done?
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:31:42] Instagram Guru: keyword is "xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxx"
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:31:49 | Edited AM 08:31:52] Instagram Guru: currently site is ranking #6
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:32:04] Brandon: Okay, you own the site that is currently ranking?
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:32:10] Instagram Guru: yes
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:32:30] Brandon: Okay, give me a few minutes to do some research.
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:32:38] Instagram Guru: alright
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:39:04] Brandon: I can get you within the top three results within 2 weeks, it's going to be $189 and I'll provide a full report.  I analyzed some of the link profiles for your competitors and it will only take about 14 days and this is also a Low Competition keyword so it won't be too difficult for me to rank this.
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:39:44] Instagram Guru: and my mail URL will be on or the same as inner page?
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:40:34] Brandon: What do you mean my mail URL?
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:40:49] Instagram Guru: i mean about main site.. lol
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:41:57] Brandon: Oh okay :) Your main.  Also, I target up to three keywords which the main one will be "xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxx", what are the two additional keywords that you'd like to target?
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:42:41] Instagram Guru: just 1 sec.
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:42:48] Brandon: Okay
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:49:24] Instagram Guru: xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxx
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:49:29] Instagram Guru: xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxx
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:49:48] Instagram Guru: if you can do the last is "xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxx"
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:50:08] Brandon: Okay no problem I have them all.
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:50:19] Brandon: When are you wanting to start?
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:50:39] Instagram Guru: today?
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:51:15] Brandon: Yes that's fine I can start today for you on this.
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:52:18] Instagram Guru: alright.
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:53:03] Brandon: Let me know when you're ready to pay and I'll start on the project, I only accept payment through PayPal.
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:53:36 | Edited AM 08:53:40] Instagram Guru: okey man! i'll pay $100 now and rest when i start getting some traffic ok?
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:53:50] Instagram Guru: let me know your paypal
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:54:23] Brandon: I can't really do that, I've had too many occasions where I've worked for people and never received the rest of the payment.
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:54:54] Instagram Guru: i'm Jr VIP on BHW, you can shitlist me anytime
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:55:06] Instagram Guru: this is out 1st deal so 'm afraid
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:55:22] Instagram Guru: again, you are having ranking guarantee right?
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:56:09] Brandon: Okay I'll do this for you since you're from BHW, I have a lot of contacts on here and can't keep track sometimes.  I'll accept $100 now to start and the rest when rankings improve.
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:56:58] Instagram Guru: paypal?
    [29-10-2012 AM 08:57:06] Brandon: My PayPal email is WorldFinancials@ymail.com
    [29-10-2012 AM 09:04:50] Brandon: Are you still on?
    [29-10-2012 AM 09:05:07] Instagram Guru: yes
    [29-10-2012 AM 09:05:28] Instagram Guru: was searching for my mac
    [29-10-2012 AM 09:05:45] Brandon: Oh okay, I hope you find it.
    [29-10-2012 AM 09:07:28] Instagram Guru: again, you'll refund if this wont work (think)
    [29-10-2012 AM 09:07:47] Brandon: Yes I will, I always offer a refund.
    [29-10-2012 AM 09:08:03] Instagram Guru:  sent $100.00 USD to Susquehanna Holding & Investments, LLC.
    [29-10-2012 AM 09:08:20] Instagram Guru: Payment Sent (Unique Transaction ID6UD99793WV0015549)
    [29-10-2012 AM 09:08:36] Brandon: Okay thanks, I'll go ahead and start on this.
    [29-10-2012 AM 09:08:45] Instagram Guru: thank you!
    [29-10-2012 AM 09:08:53] Brandon: No problem :)
    [29-10-2012 AM 09:09:05] Instagram Guru: if this works, i have 10 sites for you everytime.
    [29-10-2012 AM 09:09:23] Brandon: Okay sounds great and I look forward to working with you.
    [29-10-2012 AM 09:10:02] Instagram Guru: hope we'll reach result soon
    [29-10-2012 AM 09:10:35] Brandon: Yes we will, you can also reach me by email to WebsiteFlipper80@Yahoo.com
    [29-10-2012 AM 09:10:46] Instagram Guru: okey!
    [31-10-2012 PM 08:22:01 | Edited PM 08:22:06] Instagram Guru: hey! there?
    [31-10-2012 PM 08:22:19] Instagram Guru: dude, didnt heard anything from you for days
    [31-10-2012 PM 10:13:33] Brandon: Hello, yes I'm working on your site and I'll give you an update soon.  You can also reach me through email at websiteflipper80@yahoo.com
    [03-11-2012 AM 12:10:33] Instagram Guru: hey there?
    [03-11-2012 AM 12:10:41] Instagram Guru: when you going to send me update?
    [03-11-2012 AM 01:44:41] Instagram Guru: any chance of getting news from you?
    [03-11-2012 AM 02:26:46] Brandon: Hello I hope all is going well.  Yes, I'm still working on the site and will meet the criteria that I stated.
    [03-11-2012 AM 02:27:37] Instagram Guru: what about your promised report?
    [03-11-2012 AM 02:28:15] Instagram Guru: still is still getting down from 6 to 8 and dancing in the range of days
    [03-11-2012 AM 02:28:40] Instagram Guru: its been about one week.
    [03-11-2012 AM 02:28:43] Instagram Guru: no improvement
    [03-11-2012 AM 02:30:07] Instagram Guru: still there?
    [03-11-2012 AM 02:30:19] Brandon: Yes it's still in the dance phase which is normal, you'll start noticing considerable improvements within 4-5 days.
    [03-11-2012 AM 02:31:03] Instagram Guru: its not xactly a google dance, site is doing to #8 then coming back to #6 other day.
    [04-11-2012 PM 05:33:21] Instagram Guru: I DON'T THINK YOU ARE DOING ANY SEO
    [04-11-2012 PM 05:33:33] Instagram Guru: I CAN'T SEE ANY NEW BACKLINKS TO MY SITE.
    [05-11-2012 PM 10:53:45] Twitter Guru: THERE?
    [05-11-2012 PM 10:53:50] Twitter Guru: reply me asap
    [06-11-2012 AM 01:40:37] Instagram Guru: hey!
    [06-11-2012 AM 01:40:39] Instagram Guru: there?
    [06-11-2012 AM 01:40:53] Brandon: Hello how are you doing?
    [06-11-2012 AM 01:41:04] Instagram Guru: i never thought that you can be like this
    [06-11-2012 AM 01:41:31] Brandon: How are you doing today?
    [06-11-2012 AM 01:42:47] Instagram Guru: m good.
    [06-11-2012 AM 01:42:55] Instagram Guru: can you update me with the status?
    [06-11-2012 AM 01:43:20] Brandon: Yes, I work with a lot of clients/sites, which site am I working on with you?
    [06-11-2012 AM 01:45:53] Instagram Guru:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx.com
    [06-11-2012 AM 01:46:06] Brandon: Okay give me just a few minutes.
    [06-11-2012 AM 01:46:09] Brandon: Thank you.
    [06-11-2012 AM 01:46:18] Instagram Guru: k
    [06-11-2012 AM 02:27:12] Instagram Guru: ??
    [06-11-2012 AM 02:27:46] Instagram Guru: how exactly you calculate "few minutes" ?
    [06-11-2012 AM 02:28:48] Instagram Guru: its been more than 30 mins and now you disappeared.
    [06-11-2012 AM 02:30:19] Instagram Guru: i need something solid update from you
    [06-11-2012 AM 02:30:58] Brandon: I haven't disappeared, I'm waiting to hear back from one of the SEO contractors I work with.
    [06-11-2012 AM 02:31:22] Brandon: I got in touch with him I'm just waiting to get a response.
    [06-11-2012 AM 03:17:29] Instagram Guru: (think)
    [07-11-2012 PM 11:20:07] Instagram Guru: hey!
    [07-11-2012 PM 11:20:13] Instagram Guru: where are you man!
    [07-11-2012 PM 11:20:22] Instagram Guru: its been over 2 week
    [07-11-2012 PM 11:20:40] Instagram Guru: you didint did anything as promised, but making my ranking more down
    [07-11-2012 PM 11:20:55] Instagram Guru: i was at 6 now standing on #10
    [07-11-2012 PM 11:21:04] Instagram Guru: other ketwords i'm out of result..
    [07-11-2012 PM 11:21:13] Instagram Guru: send me refund asap so i can hire someone else..
    [07-11-2012 PM 11:21:44] Instagram Guru: i'll wait next 2-3 hours, and i'll start chargeback to paypal
    [07-11-2012 PM 11:21:49] Instagram Guru: this is final warning bro
    [AM 12:09:19 | Edited AM 12:09:27] Brandon: Hey man just got your message I'm responding from my phone.  I'm on my way home now I have been out of town helping a family member from the storm in New York and have been there for about a week now but am coming back today.  I'll be home in a couple of hours where I can start working on the site myself, I had an SEO contractor that was supposed to be handeling my clients while I was gone and I'll see what's going on with him and the site once I return so I can get on this.
    [AM 12:44:07] Brandon: Hey man just got your message I'm responding from my phone.  I'm on my way home now I have been out of town helping a family member from the storm in New York and have been there for about a week now but am coming back today.  I'll be home in a couple of hours where I can start working on the site myself, I had an SEO contractor that was supposed to be handeling my clients while I was gone and I'll see what's going on with him and the site once I return so I can get on this.
    [PM 02:28:08] Instagram Guru: [06 November 2012 AM 02:30] Brandon: 
    
    
    <<< I haven't disappeared, I'm waiting to hear back from one of the SEO contractors I work with.
    I got in touch with him I'm just waiting to get a response.this was your last response
    [PM 02:30:53 | Edited PM 02:31:11] Brandon: Yes and will hear from him tomorrow and will begin to work on this manually myself as well.  As stated above, I was out of town helping a family member that was effected by the storm we had and returned home today and didn't always have access to a computer, I was doing everything on my phone and even Skype but have returned now and will meet the rankings that were given to you.
    [PM 02:31:45] Instagram Guru: NOW ALL I NEED FROM YOU IS, ACCEPT THE PAYPAL DISPUTE.
    [PM 02:32:13] Instagram Guru: i have big loss in business, not only the ranking but my orders and time as well
    [PM 02:37:46] Instagram Guru: ??
    [PM 02:37:52] Instagram Guru: i want your response
    [PM 02:38:00] Instagram Guru: don't act like a scammer
    [PM 02:40:37] Brandon: I'm not ignoring you or acting like a scammer by any means, there wasn't a question. I stated above that I'm still working on the site to meet the rankings and if there's been a slight drop, then this is normal and will pick back up once additional links are built and indexed.
    [PM 02:41:16] Instagram Guru: you didn't did anything as promised.
    [PM 02:41:25] Instagram Guru: your deadline is over.
    [PM 02:41:42] Instagram Guru: now you have to send my money back as per out term.
    [PM 02:42:00 | Edited PM 02:42:06] Instagram Guru: i really don't want to hear anything beyond that
    [PM 02:42:03] Brandon: Also, just so you know, if for some reason I'm not on Skype, you can also reach me through email at WebsiteFlipper80@yahoo.com so if you have any questions or need help with anything I'm almost always available.
    [PM 02:42:27] Instagram Guru: succa waste of time and money
    [PM 02:45:07 | Edited PM 02:45:54] Brandon: I don't see how you could say that, I stated previously that I was out of town helping a family member and hired a SEO contractor to pick up some of my work while I was away and he obviously didn't do all of what was supposed to be done.  I've started my day very early today (3:45 AM) in the morning to catch up on clients sites to pick up where the SEO contractor left off and so I can begin to work on getting the rankings up.  I have many clients that I work with and since I'm home now, I'll have the time to dedicate to your site to rank it.


    NOTE: xxxxx xxxxx xxxxxx == keyword
     
  2. futurestunner

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    so far no one there to help?
     
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    Seriously, how could you even make this post even after I told you I had an unexpected happening of having to be out of town to help a family member that was effected by the storm we had. Additionally, I've told you multiple times that if I am unavailable on Skype to please "Email" me because it's easier for me to check my email on my phone when I'm not home then it is to go on Skype on my phone so just because you don't get an instantaneous response doesn't mean someone is a scammer so your assumptions should be re-considered. I never went prolonged periods of time without responding to you and even stated that this site was still in the Google dance phase and that I'll begin to do the manual Link Building on it today and the ranking(s) will imrpove as new links are built and indexed.
     
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    Can't believe people still following him, I warned in his thread earlier about his history of scams
    check here post no. 34 but looks like it got overlooked.

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    Also, I want to reiterate that I'm starting on the Link Building today as I told you on Skype and will prove you with a report within 3-4 days and you can also keep an eye on AHRefs as well to track the progress.
     
  6. futurestunner

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    sent you several mail/skype.

    you reply on skype after few days exactly when i WARNED you about paypal CHARGEBACK, saying you have to get in touch with your CONTRACTOR: and disappeared for days....

    da fak, i can't believe that you back from HELPING your family just after 1 hour i OPENED THE DISPUTE ON PAYPAL. nice coincidence right?


     
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    Please again refer my skype message,

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    you didn't did anything as promised.[PM 02:41:25] Instagram Guru: your deadline is over.
    [PM 02:41:42] Instagram Guru: now you have to send my money back as per out term.
    [PM 02:42:00 | Edited PM 02:42:06] Instagram Guru: i really don't want to hear anything beyond that
    I REALLY DON'T WANNA WASTE MY TIME ANYMORE

     
  8. BlueTurtle

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    Well, can't really say you weren't warned.

    I made about 10+ posts on his original thread detailing why I thought he was a scammer and I was flamed by people like you saying I'm "too negative" and a "hater".

    Why anyone would pay some clown to do SEO who doesn't know what a no-follow link is just completely baffles me.
     
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    you can say its my stupidity to believe this guy or i was just messed up with competitors.
    i was aware of something like this, he asked me $200 for the task and we have ended up with 50% upfront payment.

    i just wish other members are not on his net.

     
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    Nobody was scammed or lied to nor misled, OP, service will be delivered as promised and the only thing that differs between now and the original time of our agreement is that the delivery will be slightly late and that's all and to compensate on the late delivery I'll forgive you on the 2nd payment you owe me and will still deliver the work.
     
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    @web2be - checking your past history, I insist you to refund the amount within 24 hours.

    It was pretty clear he is scamming, when he tried to sell the site in flippa for unclaimed earnings. He was not banned, becoz he did nt scam anyone here and i thought you guys are clever enough and will not to do any business with him. But you guys....
     
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    dude, your words were 100% moneyback if you did not get those 4 keyword on top 3 in 14 days. no other condition.

    now your deadline is over, there is hell lot of stuff about your scam, so just accept the payment dispute and send money on my way... i don't need any compensation.


     
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    Yes, you're right BigBuddy I didn't scam anybody then and I didn't scam anybody now because I said I was still doing the work for him.
     
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    I'm shocked.. It's unbelievable that people would hand this guy over money. A jrvip no less :/
     
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    If you claim to be legit then the solution is *extremely* simple.

    1) Refund futurestunner's money.

    2) Make an agreement with him that if you rank his site then he'll pay you the money.

    3) Rank the site and get paid.

    Simple.
     
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    FutureStunner, are the terms mentioned above by BlueTurtle ones that you would agree on? If so I feel this would be an amicable solution.
     
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    that would be better idea,
    how many days will you take to show any significant result.


    THANKS BlueTurtle
     
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    No offense futurestunner but you deserve to be scammed... and last time I checked BHWs terms you are not allowed to sell via PM, so mods should perma-ban Webs2Be. This is hilarious, I wonder how many sales Webs2Be got.
     
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    If you say the service will be delivered in 4 days. And its not delivered in 4 days, you owe him a full refund.

    Simple as that.

    The 'why' you couldn't deliver what you personally promised is entirely irrelevant. If you did have to deal with an emergency issue thats cool, on the basis your original promise to refund if you could not deliver in the time period you specified is kept.

    If its not OP, chargeback the shit out of him which will cost him money.
     
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    You guys are not helping the situation.

    Webs2be seems happy to do what I suggested, so why the fuck are you all constantly attacking him? Someone's money is at stake here try to think before you speak.
     
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