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Wanted-to talk to somebody who doesn't give a rats @ss about ethics

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by taberdude2, May 28, 2009.

  1. taberdude2

    taberdude2 Junior Member

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    LOL:D-seriously I would like to pm back and forth with someone who is experienced with IM and Affiliate Marketing. I have some ideas that I want to bounce off someone and they may not be the most ethical.:eek:


    I just need to know if my ideas would be feasible- and no its not illegal.

    If anyone's interested please pm me.

    Deanna
     
  2. S M W

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    you should pm Jaeden...
     
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    selling crack to 6 year olds? the market's saturated, mate.
     
  4. taberdude2

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    LOL @ Mcallef. Don't wanna sell crack to 6 year olds. Just need a little advice about a coupla ideas.
     
  5. springer98

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    A few people have accused me of being morally bankrupt. I have NO idea why. :cool:

    You may, if you wish, bounce your ideas off me. I'm pretty open minded and don't offend easily, nor am I too judgmental. I can sometimes be as blunt as a pair of kindergarten scissors, so don't be too sensitive.
     
  6. farfetchedmoney

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    Just spit it out. What is the ideas? Those who are immoral will gladly respond and those who dont agree will keep hush...well I cant promise that, but, when you're doing something controversial it will get you some criticism...you just have to live with it. Also, if you share in the forum the more people who can see what you have in mind the more feedback you will get.

    With that said if it is really unethical I will be back to give you a piece of my mind:)
     
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  7. taberdude2

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    I guess my biggest question is about product creation. I have read, bought & downloaded so many frickin ebooks/programs/reports etc. Many are the same system just written by a new person. So if you don't have your own product can you adapt certain ideas from others and make them your own and create your own product/ebook.

    After researching a bazillion different ideas it seems most marketers are affiliates, article marketers, build a list and sell their own & others product to their list. So is there a fast track way to do this?

    Make your own ebook, create a list and sell, sell, sell? Is that what IM is all about? In other words take action!!!!

    And don't forget to target newbies because they are the desperate ones?:cool:

    So have I nailed IM yet? am I close?

    Then about the program Content Hurricane- what is that program really for?
    Do others use it unethically? Could you say copy someones landing page and run it through CH and change links etc of course and still call it your own even though you blatantly stole it? What about squidoo pages etc?



    So those are my dirty ideas-they are wrong/unethical I know-RIP me a new one LOL.

    But as anyone knows there are reasons for everything-desperation can make ya wanna cheat.
     
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    Firstly slow down cowboy......you need a target market.....whos your target market and how are you getting your leads. I.e. forums, ppc, buying them...etc....

    My suggestion is figure out who your market is and provide a product around it...now I dont know what type of money your working with so I cannot give you a fast track without specific details here


    As far as desparation well you have said nothing that many in this room would'nt do...whats your budget and who is your market is my question....there is plenty of fresh meat out there......a wise man once said, "if everybody is your market then you have no market".

    Narrow down what you want to do. It sounds to me you just want fast money and if thats the case, it takes money to make money baby!!! If you have a budget I beleive I can help you roll faster but thats another story.:)
     
  9. taberdude2

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    Now see most guru's don't tell you to find your target market-a very familiar term since I've previously started 2 offline biz's and a non profit corp. I can see that being a need in IM.Most people that are trying to "teach" IM say "do niche research" and get your keywords from that. So assuming you were going for a weight loss niche-your target market would be over weight people that were desperate and had money to spend. Find the problem and give the people a solution. Got that-I understand.

    As far as money-I am just starting a day job next week so I can start outsourcing some articles-I write but it is not my favorite thing in the world to do.LOL-I've even been tempted to do the Craigslist posting idea-but dammit I took an ethics class as part of my paralegal degree.Too damn honest for my own good. Thats why my post is unusual for me. Hell, my non profit was started to help homeless people cuz I feel sorry for them.

    I'm not after fast money-though I am impatient, but I know fast money doesn't exist.Except on Ebay and buy it now-LOL. I am more than willing to work for everything that I want to achieve. Hard work don't scare me.:D

    So to use a term from offline biz-I am boot strapping my online biz and doing everything as "low cost" as possible. Ireally am trying to find the right path and stick to a certain path-the prob I have is I have alot of incompletes.

    For instance-a year ago after my biz closed due to economy, I got online and found the BANS (build a niche store) software. Cool-I purchased 20 domains for the sole purpose of building ebay realted stores. Installed the software and absolutely hated the plain look of the stores.So I ditched that plan. Sold 3 domains on Ebay and have 17 domains left.Fast forward to 2 month ago-I found the concept of autoblogs.Tried unsucessfully to create 17 autoblogs-gave up and outsourced their creation-boom all done except for adding themes and advertising.Did that.They've all been pinged, indexed and social bookmarked. Just when I think they are done-they are not because I'm not sure my ad placement is correct- I've made $7.37 in 1 month off 17 autoblogs. So now what? Do I sell the stupid things or hold on and be patient? Put a giveaway ebook on each blog and start building a list?Hmmm:confused:

    Then 4 months ago I'm over on WF- a nice guy is looking for newbies to join his brand new membership (free lifetime) for select group. I was chosen-Yay! I thought I was finally getting somewhere. So I purchased a new domain= reviewdestiny.com. It was supposed to be a non specific domain name. Got it all set up and was cruising through the first months membership. The month goes by and no new months get posted.The guys wife pops in to the forum and tells everyone that the guy has been in an accident in Iraq and is in hospital with a spine injury. Then to boot-I get a nice email from EPN saying that I have been stagnant to long as an affiliate-so bye, bye to me. So now-I have a Wp site with nothing on it because who knows how long the hospital stay will be and I am no longer an EPN affiliate.

    So what the hell do you do with- review destiny.com ? Some other newbies from the membership have created like an IM journey blog. Or I could make a 1 page website and review 5 products with the little star rating thing or I could turn this into an autoblog for something, or I could make a WP blog and put different product reviews into categories.Not sure-what do you think?

    Then I have started looking at One Week Marketing by Potpie girl and also signed up with Helping Affiliate.So this week I have keyword researched for 3 CB products.I have created 3 squidoo lenses and submitted 1 article to Ezine articles. I have 2 more to write and submit-hopefully 2 morrow-then on to social bookmarking and pinging everything.

    So-I'm not setting idle-I really am doing stuff behind the scenes and learning without trying to overload myself with too much info as that is easy to do if you are a member of several IM forums.

    So as for the fast track-is there a way to do anything faster to see money faster?

    I'm about to go crazy where I'm at:eek:

    I've been to 6 states in the last 7 months looking for work because my husband is a carpenter. We are currently in F'd up Idaho living with my sister in law/husband and her 4 kids. Then we have 3 kids too. So 4 adults & 7 kids in a 4 bedroom house. I thank god he gets unemployment. He is working at a min wage job and I will be starting one next week -just so we can get back to Oregon where he is a member of the carpenters union. LOL-that is what I mean about desperation. So maybe my impatience is from that.

    So please if anyone has any advice besides going on Dr. Phil (sarcasm), let me know. I apologize for this being so long. I don't want anyone to think I am one of the newbies on here asking, "how do I make money online?"

    I lurk and read a ton of info-just still trying to find the right way for me-since that seems to be the true secret of IM. :cool:

    Deanna
     
  10. solarfl4re

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    I think you have way too many ideas floating around in your head. Pick one method, implement it work on it for a month straight, make money.

    I would turn reviewdestiny into a review site for a certain niche. Find some nice keywords, do some quick SEO with SENuke or Autopligg, link wheels, blog comments etc. Try to make sure they are buying keywords and throw up your affiliate products for that keyword/niche (or review).
     
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    No one has less ethics than the e-whoring section. If you need money fast, come join the dark side.

    And I do agree with the above, you've already proven that you have one hell of a work ethic-- you're just spreading yourself far too thin. The autoblog thing is a good idea that I personally don't think you should scrap, but it's going to be more of a long run thing than a right now thing, but once it happens, it's gonna be pretty dependable. $7 off 17 blogs really isn't HORRIBLE, I mean, it's a start. Even you admitted that you didn't think you had your ads in the right place. The benchmark seems to be aim for making one blog make $1 a day. Then you repeat a few hundred times. It's going to take more than 17 to see results. If you don't want to jump into e-whoring, I'd suggest refining your autoblogging skills and work on taking it to the next level. You could actually do both at once if you wanted.
     
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  12. springer98

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    There's a difference between ethics and morals. I can't take credit for this quote, but I like it and I'll use it here...

    "An ethical man knows it's wrong to cheat on his wife. A moral man doesn't do it."

    So, adjust your idea of ethics to allow yourself to believe it's OK to earn a living from whatever methods you choose to use. Once you believe marketing is ethical, (it is) your morals will follow. As long as you're not cheating or stealing, it's OK. If you can't make yourself believe that, you'll not ever get very far.

    You have PPG's One Week Marketing course? If not, it's in the member D/L section, somewhere. (The advanced search feature is your friend.) Go through it, study it and begin to implement some of the free methods. Once you pick something, stick with it.

    I think her plan is pretty simple to follow and, the important thing is to follow it. Once you have a little experience, you can make your own plan but, for now, follow the directions of someone who has done what you want to do.

    It looks like you've bounced from one thing to the next pretty frequently in the past. Quit that! If you're going to succeed at anything, you have to tough it out, at least until you discover it's a flop. Don't abandon something because you don't like the way something looks. Change it and make it better but don't just quit.

    Success only comes from not quitting. If you pick something that at least one other person has had success with, there is no reason you can't also be successful with it. Success is a personal measure, not a dollar amount or fame or anything like that. If you try something and sell one, was that a success? If your goal was to make at least one sale, then it was. If something works once, adjust your goals up a little and do it again.

    What you SHOULD quit is trying to do too many things all at once. There are way more opportunities, ideas, plans and methods here than any one person can ever implement. Pick one, stick to it until you see some results and stop looking at the shiny things that distract you and make you change course so often.

    Once you begin to see a little success at one thing, make minor improvements to it and keep promoting it. It will grow. Then, add another product or market and do the same things you did the first time. Before you know it, your little army of different products, in different markets, will begin to grow and your income will grow with it.

    Success is a process but you have to learn and practice the processes to achieve success. So far, the only process you're practicing is changing direction and jumping from one shiny thing to the next.

    Don't be afraid of failure. Failure is not the same as quitting. The result is the same but the road there is different. If you fail, try approaching it from another direction. The point is to not just quit. Failure is sometimes inevitable but you can recover from failure and still succeed. Quitting is a choice and there is no recovery.

    You already have the tools and knowledge to pick a market, find a product, do the research, get a site up on some free site like squidoo and get traffic to your site or promotion page.

    What're you waiting for? Get busy!
     
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  13. taberdude2

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    LOL-really I'm not trying to bounce around. I just have these unfinished projects that I'm trying to finish.

    Autoblogs are all done. Bookmarked,pinged,tweeted,etc.Will start another round of bookmarking in a week-adsense still sucks and no clicks on CB ads or CJ ads. If I don't see anything soon maybe I'll tweek the ad positions.

    I have downloaded OWM by PPG. I have started implementing. I now have 5 lenses. Need to go write those articles and do more product/keyword research. I am trying at least 2/3 products/lenses/articles per week.

    Then I have a domain name (review destiny) that only sets- ie a waste of money in my eyes and an unfinished product. LOL- I have 17 blogs & 1 unfinished website that are not even paying my $9.95 a month hosting bill.

    So off I go to take more action-will check back later.

    Thanks everyone for the support and kind words.

    Deanna
     
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    These are your DIRTY IDEAS?

    My God, I need to go to confession then, because I make you look like a boyscout.

    Forgive me :rain:

    Jinx
     
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    Ditto lol -- I may burn up when I step into church
     
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    hahaha, i already burned the church!~
     
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    Her list of dirty ideas makes a lot of us look like alter boys, but the way she wrote the posts kinda makes me want to try to help. Like she's "innocent" or something. Maybe it's the combination of the picture of the little white mouse and the innocent attitude that reminds me of Lennie from "Of Mice and Men."
     
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    Springer I assure you,
    this :Lennie Small: A mentally disabled, but strong man who travels with George.[2] He dreams of "living off the fatta' the lan'" and being able to tend to rabbits.


    is not me.

    I read above college level. I am new to IM, AM, and every other type of marketing online.

    As for my dirty ideas about rehashed ebooks. There was a thread in the lounge someone was accusing thisoldhat of copying and writing a cpa method. (tried to find the link-it was deleted I think)[ No ill intent towards thisoldhat meant.] There were a few people upset- so whats the difference between that and basically rewriting an ebook? Tell me the difference.


    I'm sorry-I'm new. If ya don't ask questions ya don't learn! :D

    Deanna
     
  19. springer98

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    Did you see my first post?

    Oops, ya got too sensitive. :spank: