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VPS vs. Dedicated

Discussion in 'Web Hosting' started by berzerker, Mar 3, 2009.

  1. berzerker

    berzerker Registered Member

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    I am upping my email sending per day, and have been using shared hosting accounts relaying the emails via SMTP, but I know this isn't the most efficient way to go about it.

    I am going to upgrade to a VPS or dedicated server, but am unclear on the cold cut pros/cons between the two. I am looking to send around 300k emails per day.

    Obviously you get more storage,bandwidth, etc with a dedicated, but I am debating the two just for pure sending purposes.

    Let's say I have Interspire installed on it, will it run significantly faster on a dedicated over a VPS?

    Also, let's assume that not all of my contacts are opted-in (if you know what I mean, haha) - bulletproofing 100% necessary?

    Thanks for the input everyone.
     
  2. toyo

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    300k/day+interspire?, you need a server, nothing less.
     
  3. berzerker

    berzerker Registered Member

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    Thanks toyo...

    how about a VPS hosting company that allows unlimited sending?
     
  4. justone

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    Most strictly disallow spamming, when getting a VPS you often also have high fees in case you put one of your IPs into email blacklists.
    They often require double opt-in prcedures to allow you send mass emails.

    In any case you should look for a dedicated server, on a VPS you are monitored in detail on a dedicated server no-one looks what you are doing as long as you do not cause trouble.
    You will also ahve no restriction on the number of mails, it's just a bandwidth thing.
     
  5. Whisker

    Whisker Moderator Staff Member Moderator Premium Member

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    VPS means you share some of the resources with others. Even though you can get some nice vps systems, most serious mailers would go with a dedicated machine so they can have ultimate control over their operation.
     
  6. berzerker

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    That makes sense, thanks.

    When you say that there is no restriction to the number of emails sent, and just a bandwidth issue, are you referring to a VPS, dedicated, or both?

    Thanks again
     
  7. berzerker

    berzerker Registered Member

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    @whiskerbiscuit
    @justone

    Thanks for both of your inputs.

    The lists I have have been opted in at one point, but have been sold and re-sold, so they're not Completely clean, if you know what I mean. What are the risks of getting my system shut down if I'm deciding between a VPS and dedicated system.

    I'm assuming the VPS will be more likely to be shut down since it's shared, but what about a dedicated system that's US based? do I absolutely need off-shore?
     
  8. justone

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    both usually.
    but a VPS server must not be stressed regarding memory and CPU otherwise you'll either get warned, processes killed, account suspended or banned.

    You have your bandwidth, on a dedicated server you receive like 0.5-2 TB monthly, you can also use more but you better upgrade that before overusing it as overusing includes fees per GB.
    You can send a LOT of mails with that space, if you send text-only mails or just small attachments you are as good as unlimited regarding bandwidth.
    It only depends on the CPU and memory how much you can send
     
  9. justone

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    They usually all disallow spam and what you do is spamming, right ?
    Spamming is handled by botnetworks these days because you are faster on a spam-blocklist than you can change IP.
    So this is probably the main concern, if you send millions of mails your IPs get banned.

    I'd not spam in the USA, people get jailed for that.
    Maybe better look for something in russia, hungary or similar. They might ban your ass but it probably ends at that step.
     
  10. toyo

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    You can. But you need to do it right, even in the states. 90% of spam originates from the States.
     
  11. berzerker

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    I will be running interspire, with a typical HTML email size of about 5kb. Sending 300k emails per day for a month will put me under the bandwidth usage you mention.

    Is bulletproofing or off-shore necessary to reduce the risk of getting it shut down?
     
  12. justone

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    As far as I know you are right regarding US as mail spamming country, but the percent I have in mind are 15% not 90.
    Also that does not mean the guys live in US, it just means botnetworks are spread in the US.

    If you live in US my tip is to spam far away.
    I'd not spam myself, it's just always a risk of getting jailed no matter how professional you do it. I'd leave it to the russian and turkey guys who are less in risk of being charged.
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    The risk of getting shut down depends on the ISP, most professional datacenters will shut you down once they receive abuse mails regarding your spam activity. It's a violation of their terms, they usually start to monitor the traffic and suspend you as soon as they have evidence.
    Hosting somewhere else is not much more expensive than in US and many datacenters have as good connectivity, so it's not really a bad thing to host elsewhere
     
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  13. berzerker

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    in your experience how much does having the mail sent from overseas affect the deliverability rate? I know I can't keep the same rate to inbox but I'd like to kill it at the same point...

    Also, any recommendations on a good company to get an overseas, dedicated server? (send it to me through PM if you want).
     
  14. justone

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    I don't know a good datacenter outside of germany or canada, lacking experience on that.
    But you can thind hundreds of them, most accept paypal .. if you are unhappy you can be a bitch and take the money back ;)
    Some even have money-back guarantees.

    I do not know about effects on delivery rate, actually I did not even know there is an effect !
    The mailservers I know do not handle mails from russia different to mails from US, but those are just a few thousand people large each.
     
  15. coriolan

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    with VPS when i get over a few thousand visitors daily they cut my traffic. so i decided for a dedicated server. but i want a good one
     
  16. thebleh

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    you might find something cheap on serveraday.com,

    keep checking back there.
     
  17. STBNetwork

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    then you have a sucky vps i get more than that on some of my netfirms shared hostings.
     
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    Always go with a dedicated server. more power. make more money.

    VPS are cheap and unstable for massive operations.
     
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    can i relay on VPS for xrumer ? as a cheap solution?
     
  20. toyo

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    no and yes for both questions