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VPN or VPS tunneling for the Blackhatter Arsenal?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO Tools' started by chickuzt, Nov 25, 2008.

  1. chickuzt

    chickuzt BANNED BANNED

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    Uhmm, lately I've been researching VPN and VPS. I am highly knowledgeable in other areas of tech savvy stuff, but this ones got me stooped. I know this is an essential tool for the blackhat stuff I I'm doing, as in most cases not legal at all.

    I've heard that using (either VPS or VPN) along with proxies you can perfectly conceal your darkest online activities. Here are my questions...

    -What is the difference between VPN and VPS?
    -Can a VPN be setup on a VPS?
    -If I am doing illegal stuff, do I want a VPN or VPS?
    -If I chose to get one, for illegal purposes, should it be offshore hosted?
    -Can a have windows installed on both VPS and VPN?


    If you guys can figure out what an individual like myself needs, VPS or VPN, can you refer to any merchants who you know are reputable.
     
  2. submitoke

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    -What is the difference between VPN and VPS?
    see on next answer.
    -Can a VPN be setup on a VPS?
    Yes
    -If I am doing illegal stuff, do I want a VPN or VPS?
    VPS
    -If I chose to get one, for illegal purposes, should it be offshore hosted?
    NC
    -Can a have windows installed on both VPS and VPN?

    Windows In VPS than Install VPN.
     
  3. bape

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    so, connecting to a VPN, then using a proxy will totally conceal your identity? interesting..
     
  4. Black_Hat_freak

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    Yes. Even if somebody does a reverse look up for the proxy (the police for example .. cough...) and tries to detect your ip(if it is not anonymous). The ip they will get is of the VPS. The only way they can came to know of you is if the VPS host tell the name of the owner of the account. For which you have to sign up for the VPS with a fake name ;). Use a windows VPS if you want ease of use as you can use remote desktop connections for admin. Better (but more expensive) than linux.
     
  5. Qball

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    So if for example I am using SwissVPN, It would be a good idea to go through a proxy to be safe?
     
  6. ShadeDream

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    You can never be 100% conceal on the internet. There is no such thing as hiding your identity so that no one can trace it back. There are always logs and there are always tracks. If your doing something highly illegal such as hacking into NASA then you will be traced back within a matter of time.
    Even if your doing something lightly illegal you can be tracked down if whatever you are doing has caused any damage or loss of large amounts of money. If the FBI gets on to track you down then you should think about moving out to a country where no one will care who you are.

    And the safest VPN providers are the ones that fully clean out their logs every couple of hours/days because these are the companies that can keep you more safe.

    Anyway your best bet will be to read on about VPN Tunnling. Here's a very informative and usefull link: http://compnetworking.about.com/od/vpn/a/vpn_tunneling.htm
     
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  7. lozzzer

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    BlackHAT is not illegal...it is morally wrong or other shit but its definaltly not illegal...so please dont use the word illegal as it may give out the wrong impression to newbies....
     
  8. ShadeDream

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    @hexalor

    That is the reason for me posting my reply and a link to a site where a VPN has been described and explained. There are too many noobs giving wrong answers to questions that they have no technical knowledge on or reall experience.
     
  9. fatboy

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    I mainly use SSH tunneling over a VPS due to the ease of setting up.
    You buy a VPS, install a firewall / update / secure it and thats it, you are away.

    I have a few VPSes set up, the switchproxy FireFox plugin and pop out of the UK, US and Europe when I need to :)

    Downside is if you are doing something illegal, which again I do not condone, there will be a trace back to you via the hosting company, your method of billing etc. So thats why its better, notice I said better not foolproof, to have a VPS in a different country to you - gives a few more steps to go through before they come and kick your door in :)
     
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  10. ShadeDream

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    Thats why you should use socks and virtual credit cards and fake details.
    Socks to register a buy and to then connect to the VPS so less tracks are left behind. And you should always go for the socks that clear their logs every couple of hours. :)
     
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  11. fatboy

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    Thats the beauty of owning your own boxes - clear what logs you want and you know they are done!
     
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  12. justone

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    It should be added that you can NOT trace a cloakfish ( http://www.cloakfish.com ) proxy back ;)
    Even if you are hacking NASA, if you do not leave your address, name or similar you will be anonymous.
    (I know/knew a lot of people who did millions of dollar damages and never were caught, it's always a matter of knowledge, intelligence and caution)


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    about the first questions, it looks to me that chickuzt does not really know what he is asking.
    A VPN is a Virtual private network, that's a NATlike tunnel (replaces your standard gateway) to hide your IP address
    A VPS is a virtual private server, that's a software running on a server that emulates a complete server, short: it's the cheapest way to get hands as root/administrator on a hosted server. Usually linux as operating system and lowest prices start at 2-3$ .

    If you do something illegal and expect that people will try to bust your ass, LEARN before doing it.
    It does not help to mask your ip if the place where you masked it knows your identity.
     
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  13. ShadeDream

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    Cloakfish.com is bullshit. If the FBI threatens Cloackfish then sooner or later you will get caught. Its almost impossible to be 100% anonymous.
     
  14. Black_Hat_freak

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    @hexalor - Dude, this is a BH forum and I have given out info about anonymity for black hat methods (not criminal methods). I never said that you can hack NASA and get never get caught with my method. I just said that you can do your "BH" activities for affiliate networks etc. by accessing a VPN through a VPS. So just chill and stop showing off. :D

    Dude, if you do a billion worth of damage. Then prepare to get your ass in jail as the person affected will not keep quite and may request authorities to help (who have access and rights for any logs in the USA) :p
     
  15. justone

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    You obviously do not understand how it works, in general you should inform yourself about things if you'd like to sound professional ShadeDream7.

    a) who told you the owners of cloakfish live in the USA ?
    b) what makes you think the owner of cloakfish could help the FBI ?

    The principe is an anonymity network:
    YOU -> NODE a -> NODE b -> NODE c -> EXIT d -> DESTINATION

    a) none of the nodes log, the software does not log
    b) NODE a does not know that YOU are not a node
    NODE b does not know if NODE a was the source or a NODE (etc)

    NODE b does not know the IP of YOU, and does not know DESTINATION.

    Only Exit know the Destination, only NODE a knows you (but thinks you are a NODE)

    Consequence: there is no way to find your IP, that's high anonymity.
    And noone except EXIT and yourself know what you transfered because the content is encrypted.

    There are theoretic ways to catch you, if you do something for a long time using the same proxy all the time.

    Edit:
    Because of this fact "FBI" would never even try to question cloakfish.
    Because they will never find the way to Cloakfish. And cloakfish does not see what ip you are using right now (when using a larger license) or what content you transfer through it.


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    Black_Hat_freak:
    In general you are right of course. Do billions of damage and your ass is likely to get busted.
    But there are a lot of people that do not get busted.
    Think about the large botnet owners, the clever owners do not get busted because they know how the game is played.
    Some of these botnets are known for years and they cause more damage than just a few billion over that time.
     
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  16. 10kay

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    say justone ... any idea on the monthly cost of cloakfish .. thnx.
     
  17. ShadeDream

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    HEY BHW IS THIS THREAD STILL RELEVENT IN 2011??? I see the post date of the last post--don't be a dumbass and comment I am a dumbass :p.

    CLOAKFISH DOESN'T GET MENTIONED VERY OFTEN AROUND HERE I WOULD THINK IT WOULD BE A HOT TOPIC IF IT IS THIS SECURE NOW IN 2011....

    I dunno what has changed, but this thread just made my mouth water a little bit. I'm just thinking--

    Z-E-US Con()Flicer these big bad ass mother fuckers--maybe the scope of internet security has caused some chages that my newbie ignorant self is unaware of...

    Although--still true to what Justone mentioned, these guys have yet to be caught...it is so surreal to me to be reading this, I have wondered for years about how the internet really works--how the wizards do what they do, I just found BHW 2 months ago, my oh my how my awareness has expanded....

    Thanks everyone.
     
  19. Tier1

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    awesome thread
     
  20. marsmadness

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    And what was the verdict? Is cloakfish still relevant?