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Very Important Question To People Who Are Raking After Panda/Penguin!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Robby54, Jun 2, 2012.

  1. Robby54

    Robby54 Regular Member

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    Ok, quick question, for those of you who are raking right now even after panda (People who aren't ranking can answer this also but please state that you are not ranking).

    1. Dose any of your sites contain affiliate links? Like amazon, clickbank etc.. (You don't have to state which one you are using.)
    2. Are the affiliate link within the articles OR are they site wide?
    3. Are the affiliate links cloaked.
    4. Last question is how many affiliate links dose your site have overall.


    The reason I am asking this is I am doing a case study on my 12 year old domain (which I specially purchased after panda) and are few things a not adding up.

    I would appreciate if as many people would answer this question as possible. Im not sure but I think I might be noticing a pattern here or maybe not. The only way I will be able to tell is if as many people would answer these question as possible. I will give further details/images once im sure since all the threads I have been reading is only speculations and I don't wan't to create another one of those threads, once I get enough answers I will update this first post and show everyone what I have found which is not adding up (That's if im on to something)...

    I might be on to somthing or I might be on to nothing, so just to save everyone the agony of reading a 1500 word thread of just a speculation I have, I need more answers first.

    Don't be lazy people, it will take you only a minute to answer these questions, and if im onto something this will also help you with your sites in the future. If im not then you only wasted 3 min of your life ;)
     
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    Hi,

    I have several affiliate sites created both before and after Penguin and my rankings were unaffected so I can explain how they are set-up as this seems to work for me.

    I promote with Amazon / Clickbank. All links are properly cloaked and have the no-follow attribute attached to them. I generaly have one or two contextual links per page and one banner link which is also cloaked with the no-follow attribute. So on average I would say I have 2/3 x the number of pages per site for total link count. e.g. 10 page website averaging 2 links per page = 20 links total.

    Hope this helps and let us know how you get on!
     
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  3. Lares

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    So i have 14 amazon affiliate sites. Every single of them was hit by 1st penguin (April 24/25th). Some more than others.

    2 of them came back on May 16th with like double/tripple traffic.

    Those 2 sites are the only 2 that dont have any affiliate links on home page. They have 2 text links and 1 picture aff link on pages (product reviews) inside of article. So total 10 reviews = 30 aff links.

    The others that were hit and didnt recover most of them have from 5 to 10 affiliate links (graphic link) on homepage. And 3 links in article on product review page. So around 40 aff links totally. Some more some less.

    About 2 weeks ago I deleted aff links on homepage on 2 other sites. Still no changes till now.

    There is also 1 new website that has no affiliate links yet and jumped to #1 on April 24th. But this one also has lowest amount of backlinks.

    All of my aff links are cloaked and with nofollow tag.

    Would love to hear your theory about Penguin and aff links.
     
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  4. Robby54

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    Hi, first off would like to thank you for taking the time to actually reply.

    I have one question for you when it comes down to cloaking. Did you use something like brad's CPA redirector which cloaks the the URL to make the refer look like it was coming from a certain post or page from your site.

    OR

    Did you use something such as Propsper202 which cloaks the page from another domain.

    This really important.
     
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    First of all, thanks for taking the time out to reply.

    I also have the same question for you which I asked Jinko, what did you use to actually cloak the link since this is also very important.

    I will explain a little bit but I will not go in depth until I get more responses to confirm my theory.

    I was on TP the other day and I noticed that someone created a thread regarding their sites seeing a significant drop when they added affiliate links to it. Quite a few users have also been seeing the same symptoms where once affiliate links have been added, not only would they loose rankings for most of their long tail keywords but for some reason they would not rank at all for certain keywords.

    For example, I have 3-5 of my top key words which all get about 40k + exact matches, I would throw some very powerful links at them. I would throw PR3-5 Homepage links at them with about an OBL of 5 form very authoritative domains and the keyword would skyrocket and then it would disappear without a trace. This only happens to more competitive keywords.

    When I try this with my medium comp keywords I would shoot up to like 23 and then get slapped back down to 60+. Google will not allow my site to pass the -50 threshold no matter how many diffrent high PR links I through at it.

    The on-page was flawless since no keyword was repeated more than 2x and the off-page was the same. I have a bunch of naked URL's, Click Me, Read More... Still nothing.

    As soon as I remove all AFF links, certain keywords start to rank again.

    I still need to keep testing but over 15 users are seeing the same exact thing I am seeing with my 12 Year old domain.

    Once I compile enough information I will keep you guys updated.

     
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    fastlaner Newbie

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    Thought I'd pitch in here, I have like 10 amazon sites, one site was ranking really well at spot 3 for its main keyword, it had about 20+ pages and a tonne of diverse links from many sources, it went from number 3 to number 20 overnight, that was on the 26th of feb 2012, since then I started a new business model but I basically deleted the sites content because it was pretty thin and wanted to start with good quality content.

    The site has amazon iframes and was making money when it ranked but not alot of it, after looking at some of the sites that did well it was clear to me that they were massive authority sites with lots of age, PR, pages and links, the site is only one page of actual content at the minute but is ranking in spot 25 after a big jump in the last few days (+9 spots with no link building), from my entire portfolio of sites the one that stood out is another EMD that literally never entered the top 100 and then the last week or so its jumped to spot 12 and this is the only site I have that I did no link work on!

    Another thing I noticed was alot of "sub" pages started to rank over my main page, so things like privacy policy page and about us were ranking over my index page.

    In all honesty I think the inclusion of affiliate links may be a negative mark against a site
     
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  8. Hogare

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    My ranking site is monetized with Amazon;
    There are no affiliate links on the homepage nor are there site-wide affiliate links;
    There's only one affiliate link per post (sucks for conversions big time);
    The links aren't cloaked (raw affiliate links).

    Hope this helps
     
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  9. Vic Sage

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    I will try to answer your questions one by one. Don't know if I was lucky enough or is it that my strategy containing diverse seo is paying off when everyone was running after ALN and BMR. I stuck to the basics -


    • Diversify Links
    • Diversify Anchors
    • Power-up Tier-1 links with ScrapeBox Trackback blog comments
    • Dripping out links at a good velocity


    • Dose any of your sites contain affiliate links? Like amazon, clickbank etc.. (You don't have to state which one you are using.)
    Ans. Yes.


    • Are the affiliate link within the articles OR are they site wide?
    Ans. On the sidebar.


    • Are the affiliate links cloaked.
    Ans. Yes.


    • Last question is how many affiliate links dose your site have overall.
    Ans. 2.
     
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  10. Robby54

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    First of all, thanks for taking the time out to reply.

    Yes, my results are starting to show this. I have been very careful with this site. All links were built by hand and really noting automated but it seems that G is really trying to do something with affiliate sites but there seems to be a way around it, still testing though. I have sites which did survive panda and had tons of affiliate links (each post had one) and it stood the test of time. I had a movie site which I used a script I coded (really just an iframe to run offers through but did a great job by never revealing the URL and making the offer look like it was part of the site) it would cloak the affiliate link to look like this; mystie.com/men-in-black-3/ but when the user sees it, they are only looking at the offer. All my content on this site was scraped content. The site got slapped to 26 when google recently did the penguin refresh but im 100% certain that its do to the content only, the reason I know this because I had one of my programmers code me a wordpress plugin which would go through all the post, check it through copyscape, and then if it failed it would send it to TBS until it passed copyscape and finally it would re-post the newly generated content once it passed copyscape. None the less, within 3 day the site jumped back to where it was. This site has also been used with AMA, Article Ranks, SEOlink vine and just about every other network which got slapped by google. I even received a google unnatural link building notice from WMT in late 2011 and yet I was still ranked number 1,2 or 3 for all my keywords.

     
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    First of all, thanks for taking the time out to reply.

    Was your site penalized? OR just dropped in rankings for certain keywords?
     
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    Thank you for taking the time out to actually reply.

    I have one question, how where you cloaking your links?

    I do think your strategy is on point. This is how all my sites which survived Penguin/Panda was structured.

    Minus the affiliate links.

     
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    I have a website with nothing but shitty, low quality backlinks (SB + XR), and every page has a cloaked affiliate link several times (3-7x per page) and its ranking for a TON of keywords.

    Therefore Google's not bitch-slapping affiliate links, instead they are looking at onsite variables + offsite variables which is why websites dropped in rankings or can't rank post-Penguin.

    Most affiliate sites are thin, and designed specifically to "game Google". Those are the type of websites that Google is targeting with Penguin. If your website has a HUGE call-to-action, header images, and or advertisements above the fold and your perfectly optimized content below, then that's one of the reasons your sites dropped in rankings.

    I've helped quite a few people rebound post-Penguin by fixing their onsite variables, and changing their offsite link building campaigns. I'm blown away by the people who I propose to fix blatant changes, but won't because "it'll hurt conversions". Wake up people. You just lost your top rankings and traffic, who the hell cares if you lose 20% on your conversion rate if your traffic has plummeted.

    Outbound affiliate links aren't the problem, it's the other variables you need to analyze and fix.
     
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    Just some simple wordpress affiliate link cloakers.

    Now, let me tell you a little secret. I have been doing this for quite a while and I hope that most of the people here will overlook it :)

    The best sites that are ranking high for me has un-cloaked affiliate links!!

    Yes, it's true. But the most awesome secret behind this is - I used Weebly sites!!

    The rest is up to you :)