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Vengeance - black hat way - I just need to unburden

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by talruum, Aug 30, 2011.

  1. talruum

    talruum Junior Member

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    Hi there!

    I just want to shout louder that one of my offline competitors just hired someone to reverse enginer my entire website and studied my successfull keywords. They just release a website this week with my complete website spunned targeting exactly my keywords.

    Besides the angry, I must be strong and wiser than this weak people. So first off I sent a letter to my lawyers asking them what to do.

    Here, at BHW, what would you do in this case? Just let them be and continue the sucessfull work or did you go to vengeance and retaliation?

    Arghhhh...
     
  2. adamiove

    adamiove Junior Member

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    I would use any mean to revenge. If they are not ethic, you shouldn't be either. Make them lose any money the make with this action
     
  3. blackhat777

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    Not sure if you can do anything legally. As you said, they haven't copied the content but used it after spinning everything, so you can't even claim a copyright IMO.
    Try using Blackhat ways to take their site down. try getting their CPA accounts/adsense banned.
    What else can you do?:confused:
     
  4. adamiove

    adamiove Junior Member

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    Of course, clicking all their Adsense adds a few days in a row could be a good idea.
     
  5. talruum

    talruum Junior Member

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    They are a offline corporate like me. Hundred thousand of dollars per week in the game...

    My angry isn't because the spunned content. My angry is about targeting ALL my keywords that they just doesn't even know that they exist before...

    Sadly.

    I must be wiselly like I told. I believe in the universe: every action has a reaction. Maybe I just doesn't need to do nothing...
     
  6. oxonbeef

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    That's called being blackhatted :pirate:
    Do what any good blackhatter would do.
    Blackhat them back better then they blackhatted you.

    I'm just wondering whether it's me you're referring too :cool:
    It's something I do everyday. I had to lol at you being a member of a blackhat forum and
    firing off a letter to your lawyer about being blackhatted yourself.
    Bit like a poacher crying that the gamekeeper ate his dinner.
     
  7. Toples

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    those are not YOUR keywords
    they belong to everyone no lawey can do a thing about it

    still sucks though:(
     
  8. talruum

    talruum Junior Member

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    Ok, ok ok :)

    My mind is in better position now. Just unburded. But just to say: this site isnt' blackhat, totally whitehat. 1 year paying people to write good stuff, so I must own my content, but that's ok.

    Ok then, these are not my keywords. But reverse enginering is a crime in every place of this planet.

    I must say that I'll let it be and continue my work. They will never, NEVER, follow each one of my steps. I'm and I'll continue to be wiser than this. Hate just promote hate. I guess inovation will always be the key to every sucessfull business.

    Thanks for all your words, and peace to all.
     
  9. raygun3001

    raygun3001 Regular Member

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    Don't lower yourself, and don't waste your time. People who get caught up in vengeance end up poor, lonely and sad.
     
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    kirkonpolttaja Senior Member

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    Research all their methods of doing money, write small ebook how they make money and all the methods that is related to their income.... Send them a copy and say your going to share their techniques free for billions hungry marketers who will saturate and destroy them... leak their keywords and make ebooks on how to do better than them.

    DOS would be very unethical but it is an option if your very pissed off and you have money to make someones times worth it.
     
  11. Yukinari84

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    If they released an exact copy with spun content, they should have a pretty hard time outranking you.

    If they are outranking you, find out what they did to outrank your site, and then do it better on your own site.
     
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  12. phpbuilt

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    If it really is spun clone of your website, do DMCA takedown requests. If the pages are obviously clones ... simply being reworded isn't going to save them.

    I've taken down pages that were spun from my content before. I've also taken down pages that copied my page ... but later on I changed my own page so they weren't the same but still had them taken down anyways.

    The only time I've ever been denied a DMCA takedown request was when I did it wrong (put a ton of URLs to take down in 1 request instead of making separate ones for each page). Its a powerful tool, give it a try.
     
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    Oh ... another thing you could do. They are a brand new website then, right? Spam the hell out of them in 1 burst, and then stop. With that kind of screwed up link velocity you'll effectively be sandboxing them for a long time (assuming all their content is freshly added to their site and they never ranked for those keywords before recently).
     
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  14. talruum

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    1 - it's not a new domain. It's some kind of aged domain, PR2 while I'm PR4 with more then 50% of inner pages PR5. They just ripped off entire old website and created a new one spunned from me;

    2 - They hired a SEO company to do that. Lame enough to put a disclaimer in HTML comments; Now my laweyrs will notify them too...

    3 - They are such losers that they spun my content and write a disclameir in the foot of every page: "this is copyright material, copy is illegal". It's total hypocrisy; Btw, their content is entirely STUFFED with keywords... appearing like 30 times in a 400 word article... hehe... let them shot in their own foot!

    4 - They are not outranking me, but they are on page #1 for every keyword I have while I'm ranking position #1 for almost everything in the last 6 months. It's a niche/market unexplored 'til I did my work. I know competitors will find it sometime, but never thinked about an entire copy of my work... now I known people do that; Sad but true;

    5 - whitehat SEO to outrank me is very expensive. Will need to hire people to write good content and put a backlink where I have (will be hard and sometimes will never achieve it); and besides, everybody know that a crucial successfull factor of SEO is the time/slow creation of the good links. It's a race that they are months behind!

    Maybe I must see this from another point of view: "LET'S THE COMPETITION BEGIN!". I guess this will push up my mind to improve more and more my work...

    The temptation to blast da hell off their site is big, but I guess this will not bring nothing than negative energy to me.

    Let's see if google algo penalize them or just ignore them. For sure I'll learn one more lesson in SEO practice.
     
  15. imperial109

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    Have you compared the amount of money you're making to the time you'll be wasting fighting this guy? If he/she has a professional SEO team behind the site, and they are better than you (I'm not saying they are.) then will they be able to knock you down? If you're in number 1 right now, you can consider selling. You know all of the facts, but this is just an option to consider.

    Cheers and GL
     
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    What do you mean by reverse engineered your website?
     
  17. talruum

    talruum Junior Member

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    It's a one project SEO company that did the work and did the "go live". I dare the competitor will pay a monhtly fee to continue the work...


    And talking about reverse enginering is when someone look at your website code and copy javascript/code/meta/etc. And my strategy is based in keyword research over the past months... the guy did no research, did a copy of my keywords. I guess they checked every page of mine website on google keyword tools, see the potential and then decided to rip me off...
     
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  18. ThopHayt

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    Oh, so you're saying he jacked your internal seo basically then? Was there any hacking, or was it just a straight up copy/paste of your source code and JS?