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Using microniches to push my main niche?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Bytefaker, Apr 13, 2010.

  1. Bytefaker

    Bytefaker Regular Member

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    I've got together with a few other people a webshop. This webshop can't be very specific because we want to offer our customers a large collection of goods in this main niche. Exactly for this reason isn't possible to optimize our mainpage of our shop for a microniche which would get us traffic - because our main niche is quiet competitive.

    So I was thinking about the following strategy: I saw domainnames which contain microniches names are performing really really good. What about creating about 10 domains (different class c subnets) whith the microniche keywords in the domainnames. Put there about 4-5 pages with everything to know about this microniche. Spread all relevant keywords about this microniche on this pages and link back to the moneysite for the every specific michroniche keyword (which the domainname is containing too).

    Then write and spinn articles with SENuke to all those MU blogs and link back to the microniche sites directly. Would this make sense?
    • Is it worth the money (for domains and hosting in differnt class C subnets)?
    • Is there anything better than http://www.seohosting.com/hosting-plans.php for such a hosting?
    • Are there any thinking faults in my strategy?
    • Would it be too much to point directly from all spun articles to the microniche keywords?
    Any feedback or corrections on my strategy are really welcome.

    Best regards and thanks anyway,
    Bytefaker
     
  2. Bytefaker

    Bytefaker Regular Member

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    *bump* Isn't this blackhat enough? Tought there will be a few inputs (by 30 thread-views) for this quiete detailed tactic...
     
  3. kendra

    kendra Power Member

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    No need to have different C class subnets for every site. That would work out to be a lot of money.

    Unique fresh content is always better than spun content. You can get some quality articles for $4 per 500 words here on BHW. If you look elsewhere you will probably get a lot cheaper.

    I am working on this same idea myself, and I don't really see why it shouldn't work.

    The tough bit will be deciding how to link to your main site. If all your micro sites are pointing to your main site and nowhere else - then this may be seen as a link farm. But if you use some intelligent link building it shouldn't be an issue. Link to some authority sources (Wikipedia etc.) in the body of the text. And place a link to your main site in a highly visible place. You will need to funnel people to your main site - so you got to do that in an effective way - whilst also remaining below the radar.
     
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  4. Bytefaker

    Bytefaker Regular Member

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    Thanks for your reply :)

    Perhaps you missunderstood me or my English is too bad.

    I only want to buy about 6-10 IP's in different class C subnets for the micro niche sites. I read a lot times this is nessary and it isn't enough just to get normal IP's for example from Hostgator.

    For the microsites (containing each one relevant keyword to my money sites in the domain name) I want to write some real content. Doing this isn't very hard because I know a lot about my moneysite and some relevant topics about. I think 4-5 subpages on each of this microniche domains should be enough. The idea of linking to wikipedia is nice.

    But then are the WPMU blogs left. For every niche (related to the microsite not to the moneysite) I think I'll write one text in spintax. Then I want to hire someone which is posting this with SENuke to the WPMU Blogs. I'm not familiar with SENuke but I know this is possible. This spintaxed text (> 80% unique) should contain links the to micro niche sites (not directly to the money site).

    My questions:

    • Do you think there it is needed to create links to other domains than my micro niche sites on the WPMU blogs? (like high trusted domains for example Wikipedia)
    • Do you really think it's needed to create custom text (non spun text) for the WPMU blogs? This would take so much money (even it's only 4$ per posting) if I'll do this for all available WPMU blogs.
    I know this take a lot of time, but if this is needed to get a really great keyword on my country based google (because the money site isn't a .com, it's a country specific one) in the top 10 google results then it's worth. But when I have to create really unique articles for the WPMU blogs (not the micro sites) it's unaffordable.

    I don't know if this is a classic linkwheel, but I tought classic linkwheels doesn't go over this additional level of micro niche domains. Normal linkwheels are quiet cheap as I saw: 150$ for 250 spokes...

    I don't know what's the best, but I'm searching for a solution which really works because I don't have the time to do this again.

    If there is something I'm overlooking please let me know before I start this...
     
  5. wickid12

    wickid12 Regular Member

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    No need to get all those hosting plans, just use Web 2.0 properties like squidoo and blogger.
     
  6. Bytefaker

    Bytefaker Regular Member

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    I know what you mean, I'm allready thinking about a linkwheel which (for example like http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...-ranking-linkwheels-free-autopligg-blasts.htm) is pointing directly to my moneysite too. But I don't know if this is too risky.

    But this isn't my mainpoint of the idea: Because my moneysite is a shop I only can optimize the mainpage of my shop (site title, url etc.) in my case only for a few keywords.
    The other keywords are microniches but I can't really optimize my mainpage for it. Because they are lucrative I want to benefit in 3 ways from it:

    1. My keyword researches are telling me that when I optimize the micro niche pages and do the above SEO stuff it's easier to get this pages in the top 10 of big G than my moneysite
    2. I can point them to my moneysite (because the micro niches are related and I can point to the specific sections on the moneysite) and use the linklove
    3. I get traffic from them because if someone is interested for the niche, he/she would be interessted in our shop too

    I really don't know if this really time consuming strategy make sense, but when I take everything together what I know it think it would be the best way.

    The only unknown variable on this is the SENuke part because I don't have any experience on this. I think because of this it would make the most sense to use a linkwheel service for them.
     
  7. wickid12

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    If you don't want to risk it then don't interlink the Linkwheel.
     
  8. Bytefaker

    Bytefaker Regular Member

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    What do you mean with interlink?


    • Interlink the microniches?
    • Interlink the microniches with money site?
    • Dont use linkwheels directly pointing to money site?
    • Dont use linkwheels which are pointing to the micro niche sits which are pointing to the money site?

    At all: Do you have experience in such strategies?
     
  9. wickid12

    wickid12 Regular Member

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    Yes I meant don't interlink the Web 2.0 properties in the linkwheel and place 100% unique content on each spoke.
     
  10. aftershock2020

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    This is doable and is alright if done correctly.

    The link farm issue isn't going to be...well, an issue, due to the fact that pointing relevant, related content to the main site from microniche sites, ' WITHIN THE SAME MARKET ', is absolutely fine.

    The catch that prevents it from being busted as a link farm and not qualifying as one in the first place is the matter of related keywords and content. IF you target your network to a stable series of microniches within a main niche and keep your main site targeted as an authority resource, you are golden.

    Spinning your article - forget that. You will get busted on rank de-value by the SE so badly, it isn't worth it. Get into article directories and blogs on the topic and use your competitor's good posts and articles against themselves, referencing back to the original posting resource in your description comments about your article information on your site that you post the content to.

    Example:

    John Smith writes an article on his site and in a directory about ' Training your cat to flush the toilet '...

    You post that to your blog as content and reference it back to your pet training business site, giving him refeence credit as the author and his site as the resource...this gives him a backlink from you, yes but it also gives you a MAJOR authority credit in google...Again, as I keep saying, Google is in the ' information ' business.

    Just post something like the following in the first couple of lines. You get a clean and solid piece of content for your site and didn't write a line.

    Example :

    Hey guys, just read this great article by John Smith, over at websitename.com. It is good stuff so, I thought I'd share it.

    Post article in blog below

    Same thing can be done with squidoo and hubpages for web 2.0 content.

    Make the reference and you aren't giving up anything because you look like you are helping the community of the market, getting readership and gaining respect of your peers in your market.

    Use your competition against themselves. No need to spin the content when you can have it as is. They aren't going to complain or call you on it. You've given them a credit, as well as a backlink. Duh.

    I've done this same thing for years. Keep it simple and cross promote your pages and sites that are related, it boost the hell out of your pr and keyword position, however, it doesn't work for blackhat as much. Tends to reveal all of the ad pages and get them shut down...just a heads up for you guys that are into the darker stuff.

    Hope this helps clear up the concern of the issue.
     
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  11. Bytefaker

    Bytefaker Regular Member

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    @dotaplaya: That's unaffordable... If I have just to pay 2$ per unique article (which has to be in german) on 250 spokes with 6 microniches it would cost 3000$. This is far to much next to the hosting/domain/subnet costs.
     
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  12. Bytefaker

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    @aftershock2020: Wow thanks a lot for this very detailed and usefull answer! This was exactly the stuff I was searching for.

    Do I understand you right: You think linkwheels with spun content are dangerous and less worth than a few clever "written" articles which are pointing to the microsites?

    The only thing I see with this (isn't this nearly whitehad or grayhad?) that it isn't possible to do a lot such manualy "written" articles (even if they are easy to do) for the web 2.0 platforms or it ends in timeless work. But if I would buy 50 articles for the web 2.0 platforms and article directories the calculation would be affordable:

    4$ (per article) x 50 (articles) x 6 (microniches) = 1200$

    Some additional questions:

    • Would you link the cheap articles together or only pointing to the micro niche sites?
    • Would you link the micro niche sites together?
    Nice to hear that I'm going to the right direction. And thanks again :)
     
  13. aftershock2020

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    Use publicly posted content and give a reference back to the source, then you don't have to pay anything other than translate, as that is what the content in article directories is for in the first place. Save your money and use it for better things. The method I posted above is 100% free and isn't illegal to translate into your native language, as you aren't spinning it from the original content, outside of the minor loss in translation issue that MIGHT accur, which is accepted by all article directories as a simple fact of life where international use is concerned.

    You are overthinking this, man. Just do the simple things.

    As far as not linking the linkwheels, I disagree with that, as long as they are not blackhat in nature, you will actually boost your site rank and position in associating related/relevant niche pages and sites as a network, giving your site more authority ranking. However, that depends on the content.
     
  14. Bytefaker

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    Our postings crossed (plz see above). Off course, 3000$ would be far too much for something like this. But the whole strategy has high value for me; I've spent about 2000 hrs building the website, connecting the ERP system, founding a company etc. So it must work!

    I really think about your suggestions (which make sense) but I never meant copy allready existing content and then spin it. I would create fresh new content and spin it.

    I don't know which performs better: Spinning new content or creating some "cheap content" but on far less sites. Do linkwheels for the niche sites with each 250 spokes would generate a lot more links (250 vs. 50) but in lesser quality.

    If I do it on the really unique way: Are there good lists which sites I could/should use for this, which provides ****************s inside my content?
     
  15. aftershock2020

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    You don't have to spin any content. Original, quick articles can be dashed out in a couple of minutes a day, a couple of times a week. I write down article content ideas all the time on a spiral notebook I keep on my desk at all times. I date the page in the morning and reference when I sit down to write articles in my regular work routine.

    I use microsoft word or openoffice, depending on the unit I'm working on in the office at the time. Just plan your schedule out and log in to produce 1-2 hour window at least twice a week and sit with a collection of quick topics that you want to write about, based on your market.

    Then, check a couple of directories to see if there are any articles that are new to you and your readers on those topics. If so, then use them ' AS IS ' and reference back to the author and site as the source, adding your own comments and opinion either before or after the complete article content in your own version of the article.

    It is 100% legal because you haven't violated any of the TOS of the article directories, due to not changing the original content of the article, leaving the author's name and website link intact.

    Run down your list of article ideas and if you don't find and article, then don't waste time, write it...unique and original content is always best.

    Don't spin anything, there is no need to do that. Take someone else's article that they have publically given permission for you to use through the article directory you found it in...use it.

    You can use all content in directories like that. It is when you take it directly from a site that it is best to seek permission by posting the article link page with their name and blacklink already in it, to offer them as proof of what you intend to do with their material.

    Build your content legitimately. Don't spin, it gets rehashed and rehashed, then it is worthless and doesn't make any sense to a human reader, which trashes your rankings far worse that a bot ever will.



     
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