For example, using xrumer and sb and article spinning has anyone been able to say crack the top 10 spots on google for some really competitive terms, such as free games, insurance, etc? If so what were you doing to get there? How competitive was it (ie, how many exact search results, inurl, etc) How long did it take? In the end did google ban you? Or did you some how manage to fly under the radar and never got in trouble? Was it a old domain or new domain? And did it stay or since the competition is so fierce did you have to constantly update to stay in the spot?