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US Government & Internet Kill Switch - Total BULL

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by referraldude, Feb 24, 2011.

  1. referraldude

    referraldude Registered Member

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    Whether or not this passes, this is complete and utter nonsense for anyone based in the US.

    "...aims to give Homeland Security the power to control private computer systems."

    Anyone else find this to be ridiculous, or what?

    It seems anything containing the phrases "freedom" or "patriot" are trying to take away things we value.

    Anyone have input? Will this change how Blackhatters are doing things, or is everything just going to be outsourced even moreso?
     
  2. rnc505

    rnc505 Regular Member

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    Dude you need to put it in perspective and read the full story (from many sources 2 get the whole picture). The true purpose of this is to give Homeland Security the right to powers to save infrastructure under attack (such as a Chinese originated DDOS).

    As it is written now it'll never pass because as you said, there is no specific anything saying it won't violate freedom of speech or privacy. As it is now it is unconstitutional. It will be rewritten If they wish to pass it. When it gauruntees the preservation of the rights garunteed by the Bill of Rights/constitution it will be a great law to protect us from unsavory people around the world.

    This isn't a time of a scare, this is not another "patriot act", this is can we give the govt the ability to do it's job-- protect it's citizens.

    Just a quick question that I'm sure to be flamed for, but why is there so many BHWers who believe that every little thing the US Govt (but no one else - everyone but the US is always good and right) does is for nefarious purposes. Ex., OMFG tax increases! Greedy bastards! (every European country has taxes atleast 150% higher than in USA).... Idk I love being an American, but as it has been said before "haters will hate".

    (sorry for some misspellings - on a mobile phone).
     
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    watch conspiracy theory and you may feel differently. you can get all the episodes including the one that "magically" disappeared from everyone's dvr's in january on demonoid.
     
  5. MrSmith

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    Because they use the excuse of "it is always for the greater good". Since Obama's reign they've taken down sites left right center. ICE has with the signing of a court order just taken down domains. They point and pick. You're next.
     
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    America is a FUCKED country. That's all I'm saying. Watch Zeitgiest/Obama Deception.
     
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    Just need another ICANN that isn't controlled by HLS. That is in the works, but it isn't going to be anything close to ICANN for many many years. Though everyone will flock to these alternate solutions should they pass the law set out to censor the internet when ever they please. Anyone that thinks this bill is a good idea is an idiot.
     
  8. Monrox

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    ICANN is powerless but they hide it well. They've never confronted a registrar because it will show that they aren't controlling anything. Why else is the canadian pharmacy domain still around? It is the synonym of spam and yet it has not been blocked from reregistering.

    Resgistrars have also never fought ICANN, they simply do as they please. Why else would they have the audacity to themselves register domains that were being checked by users for availability? It's like the patent office keeping submitted patents for itself.

    It is true that the Internet originated in the USA but it is not American anymore. What remains American is the DNS, the thingie that translates web addresses into IPs. But you don't need a web address to access a website.

    For example if the kill switch bill passes and when used, microsoft.com won't work but simply entering 207.46.170.10 in the browser will still get you there. You can have bookmarks pointing to IPs instead of domains, no difference.

    If the bill grants even more powers, webservers in America can get shut down but all other servers in the world will continue to work because they are not interconnected only through here.

    No need to react to sensationalism aimed at simple users. Stuff usually works a bit differently than the media presents it.
     
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    99% of web browsers are "simple users" LOL, who never saw a line of code or numerical IP address in their life, and thus the kill switch powers assumed by the government will indeed effectively shut off the traffic to these sites. In the recent "whoops" shutdown of the domain names of 84,000 sites, the feds didn't just remove a domain name, they plastered up a "beware, child porn" type message on the home page of the sites. 84,000 sites that had nothing to do with that content. We are past censorship, into pure defamation, due to this pure "flick a switch, shut you down" de-facto power the state is exercising.
     
  10. rnc505

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    Lol I love how no one can present, concrete proof of their opinion. Conspiracy theory is retarded - especially something like this.

    I don't even like posting on stuff like this because everyone has A^n opinion with ZERO EVIDENCE! seriously I can't stand The Lounge - people using documentarys made by communists as "evidence"... What the fuck is happening to our world?
     
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    Evidence below, government docs no less:

    Here's 21 Steps to Improve Cybersecurity of SCADA Networks, a DOE guidelines document, confirms the assertion that SCADA (public infrastructure) systems are indeed accidentally connected to the internet. All 21 steps are mundane network management tasks, meaning they could could be easily corrected if somebody tried a massive DDOS attack. So why do we need a draconian law?

    Code:
    http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-federal-06/BH-Fed-06-Maynor-Graham-up.pdf
    Here is the 200 page bill, which includes provisions that would shut down parts of the internet from at least 4 months, to INDEFINITELY. What does an indefinite shutdown have to do with protecting us from the Chinese, as opposed to mimicking the Chinese censors?

    Code:
    http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Files.View&FileStore_id=4ee63497-ca5b-4a4b-9bba-04b7f4cb0123
    
     
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    You must be really blind... look all around you, there is no need to see documentary to see whats happening.
     
  13. rnc505

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    I'm sure those docs have been scrutinized by many a lawyer...

    Why do you think Obama-care will never ever be put into FULL effect (or even partial)? Because lawyers scruitinized the over 2700 page (http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/02/01/obamacare-unconstitutional-judge-vinsons-ruling-important/ - i know its Fox, but I'm just using it to support the 2700 pages) law and are now getting their Attorney Generals of their respective states to sue the gov't as to its unconstitutionality.

    I don't know the minutia of these laws, because I don't have the ability to fully comprehend it 100% (as no one else can truly), but I trust in the checks and balances of our Democratic system and if lawyers wanted to cause an uproar, I would've heard about this yesterday...




    Lol... your just proving my point - atleast Zebrahat^^ had some evidence to share...
     
  14. referraldude

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    Lol I didn't want to have any politics or debates about how f'd the USA is, we know that already, that's why we're on here trying to make a few bucks, right? :p

    I just wanted to know that given the information presented in the link I posted, as unreliable as the source may be with no external research to back up my finding, do any of you think that this may affect anything within the online marketing realm?

    Example: If one particular BH'er has a huge network of sites and "the man" or secret society or whatever the conspiracy theory is this week passes something similar to this to shut those sites down, will they have the jurisdiction to do so all over?

    I know that this idea will take time for the trickle-down effect to take place to something as benign as online marketing, but if something along these lines happens, will the US based BH'ers have to go offshore, or are we gonna start DDOS-ing GOV infrastructure?

    Just a fun thought, wanted to see what the spin was from everyone without the conspiracy theory and political types coming out to play and hosing down this thread with estrogen.