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"Unnatural links to your site" penalty in WT

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by RangerEsq, Jul 20, 2015.

  1. RangerEsq

    RangerEsq Regular Member

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    I've got an "Manual Action - Unnatural links to your site" penalty in WT. There are companies promising to eliminate it, claiming 100% success rate. I have a few questions for the unbiased folks here:

    1. Can these claims of guaranteed elimination of a penalty be trusted?

    2. My rankings didn't fully collapse. They went from page 1 to page 2. Once the manual action penalty is lifted, will my rankings rebound? Can I use SEO techniques such as the packages that are sold on BHW, PBNs, etc while doing it more carefully or will take result in an even more severe penalty?

    3. What kind of SEO would you recommend once the penalty is lifted?
     
  2. andrewabd

    andrewabd Registered Member

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    1- 100% is a high success rate but through my experience I came close to that, some requests may get rejected the first time but if they know what the are doing eventually they will get you there

    2- Again in my own experience going back to the same ranking and traffic you enjoyed before the penalty has almost 0 chance for different reasons (unless you are a big company with a strong organic links which I suspect you are):
    - You need to remove/disavow lots of links to get your penalty revoked which technically will weaken your link profile and prevent you from restoring the same good ranking
    - You got that ranking because of keyword rich anchor text which you need to remove/disavow to get the penalty revoked
    - Google normally put you in a distrust status for a while after revoking your penalty where you site will not rank well

    3- If this is a legit business avoid building links with keyword rich anchor text and spammy links in general, if you need badly to restore you good ranking then build a new site using a new domain or 301 your existing domain to a new one
     
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  3. bigballin6161

    bigballin6161 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Link Delete worked for me after 4 x trying it on my own and being unsuccessful. First time with them it got removed. It was pretty cheap too. I would check them out.
     
  4. upstarter

    upstarter Regular Member

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    This answer pretty much sums it. The only way to know is to try.
     
  5. SainaGroup

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    The only way to know is to try !!!
     
  6. RangerEsq

    RangerEsq Regular Member

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    What kind of SEO packages and links should I get once the manual penalty is lifted?
     
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    You will find here in BHW some services to remove penalty from your site.
     
  8. RangerEsq

    RangerEsq Regular Member

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    I meant once the penalty is removed, what else should I do to raise my SERP?
     
  9. arganrecords

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    Follow andrewabd's advices. In most cases you can't recover 100% of your previous trust!
    No one can guarantee something depending from Google
     
  10. starki

    starki Power Member

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    1. Well, we do a lot of reinclusion requests for clients with a success rate of 100% from over 90 reinclusion requests. Doesn't mean it always works in the first try, but you can try unlimited times. Always takes 1-2 weeks before Google reacts, so you better do it right and avoid more than 1-2 tries. So, yes, a 100% guarantee is standard, but noone will guarantee you if it takes 1, 2 or more tries.

    2. No, rankings won't rebound to the old positions because the links causing the penalty must be removed and they had a positive effect before they became toxic and caused the penalty. Stay away from any link building during the reinclusion process, because some actual Google staff members will look at each request and you backlink profile. If they see something that could be interpreted as bad faith, you'll get in worse trouble. Btw, PBN links and bought links are exactly what's causing this penalty!

    3. Whitehat, for a simple reason: When the penalty if lifted, everything is fine, but Google archives your penalty internally. If the domains is ever caught again with unnatural links, they know you already had this kind of penalty before. A repeted violation often means the penalty is permanent -> Get a new domain or rest in hell forever.

    Important for a good reinclusion request:

    1. Remove as many links you can remove, document this. You can disavow all those you can't remove, but in contrast to algorithmic stuff like Penguin, manuel penalties require a significant amount of links to be really removed. Head for at least 80% actual removal, that's not too hard because manual penalties aren't caused by bookmarks, blog comments or directories but paid do-follow links like PBNs, SAPE, guest posts, footers, sidebars, etc., especially those with keyword anchors.

    2. Be honest, no need to be a rat, but if you bought links or link packages, admit you did. Tell them you educated yourself about their guidelines, that you understood what unnatural links are and that this kind of violation will never happen again. Tell them how you will promote your site in the future and how exactly you'll make sure a violation can't happen again.

    3. Always list all links you removed so far in each reinclusion request. If the first one isn't successful, list the links removed before the first request, plus those removed before the second request, so the webspam team member can easily see your progress. If you disavowed links, too, mention this in the reinclusion request.
     
  11. starki

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    One more thing: Never try to discuss about a link being natural or not with them. If the first request fails, they'll often send you 2-3 examples of links they identified as unnatural. Sometimes, that's perfectly natural links, but it doesn't matter. If they say it's unnatural, it's unnatural, amen. Never try to play games, like remove 10 out of 50 obviously unnatural links and hope the rest will slip through. If they get the impression that you are trying to fool them, they'll just let you work even harder and remove every single unnatural link.
     
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  12. classybabe

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    1. No. Only Google can make a guarantee of 100%.
    2. No, you're on google's radar any further SEO you do, they are probably going to check it.

    If you really care about the site, go ahead and try it but starting a new site is easier and cost-effective.

    I am interested what did you do to get that penalty though ? Very rarely does Google show that message in WMT and most sites are silently penallized.
     
  13. RangerEsq

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    Does 301 redirect pass along the penalty? I've heard both from people here, but does anyone have an answer based on real experience?
     
  14. fjugin

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    I am interested as well. What caused the penalty, did you use PBN´s?
     
  15. RangerEsq

    RangerEsq Regular Member

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    I did use PBNs. I also used quite a few packages available on BHW as well. I'm not sure what specifically caused it. Do people here have a clue which links are most and least dangerous?
     
  16. houseman

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    I think better to use your own PBN. You can contact your providers and tell to remove the links.
     
  17. Penumbra

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    What exactly services you used?
     
  18. starki

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    The PBNs are definitely dangerous when it comes to this kind of penalty, along with any kind of "good" bought links with keyword anchors like guest posts, etc. The P ind PBN means "private" and not "public" for a reason.

    I already mentioned this in my post. Read it, personal experience from almost 100 successful reinclusion requests.

    It's pretty basic: Penalties (manual) for the "good" manipulative stuff, Penguin (algorithmic filter) for the spammy manipulative stuff.

    To answer your redirect question: Yes, a 301 passes the penalty.
     
  19. starki

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    Nope, we guarantee success for reinclusion requests if it's the first time the site is hit by this penalty. So do most competitors.

    It's damn easy to identify the links Google classifies as unnatural if you have some experience with penalties. The only real challenge is contacting people and getting enough links removed if you are dealing with a large number of site owners. The worst case is loads of domains with bogus/fake registration data, but there is a special solution for this problem that works most of the time.
     
  20. spappa

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    That's good news that your rankings didn't completely collapse.

    Is there a chance that you built too many links too quickly? Can you tell us how many links (approx) you had say 6 months ago, 2 months ago and now? Is it possible one of your competitors dobbed you in?

    Have you done a bunch of on-page SEO recently?