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Unnatural link building penalty - have you recovered.

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Fathom, Jun 21, 2012.

  1. Fathom

    Fathom Power Member

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    As I understand a lot of people that practice black hat seo have been hit by the unnatural link building penalty causing huge serp decrease across entire domains and as of yet nobody has recovered from the penalty.

    Am I right in thinking nobody has recovered? Do 301 redirects work temporarily? If so can't you just put another redirect in place?

    I would like to do some testing on a domain that has this penalty in place therefore please let me know if anyone would like to work together on this.
     
  2. regmant

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    Went from 5,000 UV a day in January, haven't had more than about 200 UV a day since then. Tried everything! Still indexed - kinda wish I wasn't!
     
  3. SEOLair

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    301 redirects do not work. They work temporarily, but then about 1-2 weeks later, the penalty is passed to the new page.
     
  4. Fathom

    Fathom Power Member

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    Is it still possible to get this penalty on a new site? Or has it stopped? If it hasn't I would imagine a lot people are building links to competitors which would not be right. Google must have stopped this penalty now.
     
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    You need to clean up your backlinks, I've helped one client do so, and then file a reconsideration request.

    Do NOT file a reconsideration request until you've done everything possible to clean up your backlinks. Keep in mind that this is an extremely time consuming process.
     
  6. Fathom

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    Did google reply to the reconsideration request? If so what did they say?
     
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    It did require a few back and forth emails, they pointed out a few links that should have been removed. We took the time to recontact, document everything, and then cleaned up some more links and responded. After seeing the time/effort/length that we went through, they eventually approved and clients rankings went back to pre-warning rankings.
     
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  8. Fathom

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    That's very nice to know. A few people have asked me about building links to sites like these and it did not seem right telling them to start new sites.
     
  9. SuperLinks

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    Starting new websites is the worst thing that someone could do, unless of course they are crappy MNS sites that were built overnight. In which case starting over is a quicker solution.

    For some clients I've consulted with, we're talking multi-million dollar a year companies shattered by Penguin. Therefore the ONLY solution is to get back into Google.
     
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    Recovering from warning is hard but needs a bunch of work.

    I have SEO company and help recovered clients rankings. You need to remove all backlinks though. I use service called LinkDelete.com for that though. They are new service and take care of removal process for you. Simple.

    After you remove backlinks, then you contact Google. Not every times works it works sometimes and other times you need to do much more work on updating backlinks to website.
     
  11. Fathom

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    I can imagine legitimate buisinesses that brand themselves online and offline being penilised by this being something that is heart drenching and I personally believe they should not have the power to penilise any kind of legitimate business so I understand what you mean by being the only solution.

    I was unaware that google removed the penalty by confronting them with your mistakes as its like admitting that you tried to manipulate their search engine.

    I did not know any sites could get out of this penalty so thanks for sharing.
     
  12. knockoutlocal

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    I actually got the reconsideration approved but it took a few months. I had two other sites that were hit but I didn't bother trying to fix them. I just started brand new.
     
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    i've seen sitewide hits but still have not gotten the warning letter. should i start removing links anyway?
     
  14. ok180

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    If the only way to recover is delete all your links it's quicker to just build a new site. I run an ecommerce site that got hit with this penalty and dropped on the day penguin hit. At the time I had over 12k links. How on earth could I delete all those? I tried a few things for a month but got no where so 4 weeks ago I put up a new mini site and im already back on page 1/2 for a lot of terms. Still a long way to go but I think in another month or two I will be back to where I was prior to penguin and this time with much better links pointing to my site.

    Im glad I went to the new site, otherwise I may have still been sitting here trying to fix the old one getting no where.
     
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    3 of my sites got clobbered - GONE - from google recently. From what I'm reading here... there's probably little point in going through the hassle of removing backlinks and waiting for Google to reconsider. It sounds like it's much better to create a new site and start over.

    Correct?

    Wow... that's so much work down the drain.
     
  16. Typlo

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    Just checked my WMT account, message from Google reads as expected. We still see unnatural backlinks.

    This is a major blow to us, and we are feeling pretty dejected. 1 idea I have had would be to rename all the pages that have bad links, then just focus on the homepage.

    Do you think this would be a good idea. The only other problem is if we ever do get out of this penalty where will the site be in the serps.
     
  17. TheLinkGuy

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    That the point mate, have a company do that work for you. Removing links does work! You must show google you try and clean up backlinks. A lot of proof goes long ways. Someone wrote a post on SEOMOZ about that. I use LinkDelete.com for a few sites to remove backlinks for me. It a link removal service. Or do it yourself if you have a lot of free time. You need to track everything to make sure that the work is being done and you show google that the webmasters aren't taking down your link. Enough proof shows you try to clean up links and they revive rankings many times.

    I would not give up on your sites, you spend much time on them? You know? Fix it don't start over.
     
  18. ok180

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    Depending on how many links the site has this could be very poor advice.

    For instance my site had over 12k links. It could take 3-4 months to get most of it deleted if at all and there is still no guarantee Goole will reinstate your site. Then because all the links are gone you have to rebuild everything anyway which will take another few months. You could be looking at 6-9 months to get back to where you were before if at all.

    At least if you start again you can learn from your mistakes, do it better this time and be back where you were in 3 months in most cases.

    I have a real bricks and mortar business btw and this is the best way I could see going forward.
     
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    Interesting. I have been fighting penalty for few months. Not removed any links, just been building some high quality links, more diversification, social signals etc.

    Positions are moving up slowly. Think maybe link removal is what's required though...
     
  20. TheLinkGuy

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    Good for you mate.

    For the rest of us with big business and no turning back this is solid advice. Google want to see you trying best to remove link. Is there no guarantee? Of course mate. But you think Google not reinstate website that contacts 12k sites to clean up backlinks? HAHA. OK.

    I just tell you how it is, go look at posts on seomoz and other forum about how they got site reinstated. Starting over for big business not possible for new domain. That a huge rebrand effort and big big big $$. If you have a micro site and micro business, yes start over. For those that make money $$ and spent a lot to get there, it usually doesn't need 12k links clean up.