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Unethical For California To Legaliz Marijuana?

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  1. soccerelvn

    soccerelvn BANNED BANNED

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    So I'm writing a report for class on whether or not it is ethical for California to legalize pot. My current view is that California is only doing so in order to make money which is essentially exploiting the residents of California through severe taxation of Marijuana. What do you guys think? Any feedback would be greatly appreciated for my report!
     
  2. dvs one

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    It should be legalized. Cannabis clubs and medical marijuana generate a ton of money for the cities they are in. The problem is marijuana will never go away. It is way safer than any alcohol. My opinion is we legalize it and make money. Who knows, i am smoking a joint right now lol. Just my thoughts.

    PS - We would also save a ton of money by not arresting people and taking them to jail for weed.
     
  3. Kiner24

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    I couldn't agree more with DVS one. Alcohol has far worse effects on the body than marijuana. I watched a documentary where a guy who smoked Marijuana often for 17 years had no permanent damage at all. You will never find someone with no permanent damage after 17 years of drinking.
     
  4. Team Zissou

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    Marijuana (more importantly, hemp as a whole) was made illegal through the process of yellow journalism on behalf of William Randolph Hearst who felt that the hemp industry would destroy his newspaper empire. That's the story in a nutshell.

    Tell me, what makes you think undoing the damage that William Randolph Hearst did would be in some way unethical?
     
  5. Grizzy

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    Forget about the health effects for a second. IMO this is reason enough to legalize and privatize it...

    People are going to buy pot. Nothing will ever change that. There will always loads of money to be made off of marijuana in one way or another. Period.

    In whose hands would you rather all of this money reside in? (remember someone will make money off of it, no matter what)

    a) the government
    b) organized crime
     
  6. soccerelvn

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    I understand that but do you think it is right for California to legalize Marijuana in order to save itself and gouge prices? I understand marijuana is not as bad for you as say alcohol is, but it definitely isn't good for you yet California is still willing to introduce a drug to its state in order to make money.

    PS - California was the first state to prohibit cannabis, ironic
     
  7. SuperBlackHat

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    hearst may be only one small cog in the war on drugs Zissou. The fact is the government and banks make so much money off of locking people up due to weed, they have no real incentive to legalize it. Please go watch "How Weed Won The West". You will see the real deal on the phony marijuana prohibition
     
  8. soccerelvn

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    Besides even if California legalizes pot the federal law still says its illegal and federal has precedence over state so the FBI or federal law agencies could still arrest people in Cali who are out smoking pot on the street or at home if they wanted to.

    The way I see it is if pot should be legal, the federal government should make it legal as a whole, not a state that wants to take the easy way out of its debt.
     
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    I would rather pay tax on pot than to risk going to jail. Also as stated before legalizing it will save tax dollars in not only housing prisoners but also the cost of prosecuting these people in court. Not to mention the cost of the hours the police would spend. Investigating, booking, and testifying in these cases. Take an example of the cost of using drug helicopters to fly around looking for crops.
    Even with no tax at all this would save millions of taxpayers dollars. With a tax (which would really suck) they could spend their resources cracking down on much more dangerous drugs. Also I suppose the tax would have to pay for regulating the legal weed.
    Noone has ever overdosed on pot....there are many cases of people overdosing and dying on alcohol.
     
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    Very good point. I wasn't thinking of ethics when I made my earlier reply.
     
  11. Dayum

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    It basically already is legal in california to an extent, and a few other states. All you have to do is go to the doctor and bitch about not being able to sleep or back pain and pay for the card and they have places you can go buy it. From what I've heard it's pretty damn simple to get the card.

    And as someone said it is still going to be illegal under federal, the feds close the shops in cali that do sell it, makes no fucking sense.

    I was pretty disappointed when I first did it, basically does nothing but help you sleep better. It's actually pretty lame as far as drugs go.

    In the end it just depends on how the person can handle it, just like when it comes to booze. There's always going to be the people who would be responsible with it and there's always going to be the people who won't be.
     
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  12. jonnyquest

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    WTF does ethics have to do with legalizing pot .. and as for taxation why should the f'n pot growers and buyers not pay tax like any other commodity we us .. I say throw out the tax code and make it a pure consumption tax .. the more you buy the more you pay .. no more f'n cheating because there is no take code except to say you pay XX% in tax on the shit you eat, smoke, wear and sit on... rant over ..thanks I needed that as April 15 looms near
     
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    A better question to address in your report is:
    Was it ethical to allow political aspirations and the interests of big business to result in legislation against one of the most usefull plants known to mankind?

    The decision of the United States Congress to pass the Marihuana Tax Act of 1937 was based on hearings, reports and in part on testimony derived from articles in newspapers owned by William Randolph Hearst, who had significant financial interests in the timber industry, which manufactured his newsprint.

    DuPont also played a large role in the criminalization of cannabis. If hemp had remained legal it would likely have been used to make paper and plastic (nylon), and may have hurt DuPont's profits. Andrew Mellon of the Mellon Bank was DuPont's chief financial backer and was also the Secretary of the Treasury under the Hoover administration. Mellon appointed Harry J. Anslinger, who later became his nephew-in-law, as the head of the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs (FBNDD) and the Federal Bureau of Narcotics (FBN), where Anslinger stayed until 1962.

    On August 2, 1937, marijuana became illegal at the federal level. President Roosevelt signed the bill.


    Here are just a few references to help with your research:
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    http://www.ozarkia.net/bill/pot/blunderof37.html
    http://www.drugpolicy.org/marijuana/factsmyths/
    http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/
    http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/mj004.htm
    http://www.illuminati-news.com/marijuana-conspiracy.htm
    http://civilliberty.about.com/od/drugpolicy/tp/Why-is-Marijuana-Illegal.htm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_history_of_cannabis_in_the_United_States#Criminalization_.281900s.29
    
    edit - Another thing to consider is that it isn't necessarily exploiting the residents of California. Most of the 'evils' of marijuana are the result of the illegal trafficking. As long as it was prohibited, the criminals were exploiting the users. It is much harder to completely irradicate something than it is to regulate it. If marijuana is legal, then it can be regulated.
     
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    i live in an area in Los Angeles and there is almost a med marijuana store on every block on a street near me yes it should be legalized and why not tax it ? those shops who sell it should pay sales taxes just as any other legit business does, but those owners live almost like real drug dealers with paying everything they buy with cash and having cash around but they can also go broke since the competition here in LA is big and also the feds sometimes bust their business.
     
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    SuperBlackHat: Thanks, will check it out.

    Back on topic. Is it ethical for us to sit back and watch Mexican drug cartels slaughter people left and right to make a profit selling marijuana to us? I'd personally like to see them dismantled. Legalizing marijuana would be a step towards curbing their violence. Look back at the past and look at prohibition.

    Would you have asked us if it was unethical for the US Government to lift prohibition?
     
  16. soccerelvn

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    Cool I'm going to get into the history of marijuana some. Oh and ethics can be applied to anything, maybe some people don't feel that its right for California to introduce a state law that is only there to make a quick buck due to gouged prices and doesn't ensure the safety of the buyers from the federal law.

    I could argue that the state of California is only looking out for itself and playing a hypocrite as marijuana is evil until the state government needs money.
     
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    Mexican drug cartels will still exist simply because they're pot would be way cheaper!
     
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    The bill by San Francisco representative Tom Ammiano, would legalise the cultivation, possession and sale of marijuana by people 21 and older. It would charge growers and wholesalers a $5,000 (£3,400) initial franchise fee and a $2,500 annual renewal fee, and would levy a $50 per ounce fee on retailers.

    That's some serious taxing!
     
  19. GreyWolf

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    That brings up the issue state vs. federal powers. Obviously as it stands today, it is a done deal, but it is debatable whether the fed even had the right to regulate drugs when it first started. Thats why the original prohibition was a Tax act, the only power the fed had to control it was to create a stamp tax, and then refuse to authorize anyone to recieve a stamp. Using one power that it did have, to regulate something it didn't have power over. Little by little the fed has historically pulled powers onto itself, that had been intentionally left to the states by the founders. Our nation was set up in such a way to limit the power of the government, and the constitution specifically set safeguards in place, but is the very nature of government to increase its power, if not closely monitored it will steadily erode any safeguards in place. The federal government shouldn't necessarilly legalize pot, but it should definately defer the legislation of marijuana to the state level.

    Ah now thats another issue. Definately overtaxed and counterproductive to Ammiano's goal. If it is taxed too high then the criminal incentive remains. The state will lose more taxes to the underground trafficking than if they had more reasonable fees and taxes. If the tax is reasonable then people will just buy it through legal channels, there won't be enough financial incentive for criminals to continue trafficking.

    Hope all this feedback your getting from everyone in here is helping for your paper.

    On a side note: I'm from California, I don't smoke weed myself, but I know many people that have legitimately benefited from the availability of medical marijuana.
     
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  20. clyde

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    Legalizing marijuana would also put gangbangers and street "hustla's" out of business.

    I say go Arnold Governator!