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UK Says, "File Sharers Could Be Jailed For 10 Years"

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  1. The Scarlet Pimp

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    Lawmakers Warned That 10 Year Sentences Could Apply to File-Sharers
    Oct. 16, 2016

    From: "Torrent Freak"
    https://torrentfreak.com/lawmakers-warned-that-10-year-sentences-could-apply-to-file-sharers-161016/

    The UK is currently forming new legislation that will harmonize sentences for offline and online piracy. While the theoretical 10-year maximum sentence is supposed to target only large-scale pirates, this week MPs were warned that wording in the Digital Economy Bill is not tight enough to exclude file-sharers.

    Under current UK legislation, pirates of physical media such as CDs and DVDs can be jailed for up to 10 years. On the other hand, those committing similar offenses online can be jailed for only two years.

    This has led to anti-piracy groups such as the Federation Against Copyright Theft choosing to pursue their own private prosecutions under the Fraud Act, which allows for much tougher sentences.

    In an effort to fix this disparity, earlier this year a new draft of the Digital Economy Bill contained plans to extend the current 'online' prison term from two to ten years. The relevant section amends the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, and simply replaces the word two with ten.

    On its way to becoming law, the Bill has been progressing through various stages in the House of Commons. This week, however, concerns were raised over the precise wording of the amendments. The image below shows how they currently stand.

    https://torrentfreak.com/images/digec.png

    Despite assurances from MPs that 10-year sentences are directed at large-scale commercial pirates, the text above does not clearly reflect that goal. In fact, just about any online infringer could be swept up in its net, a point not lost on Jim Killock, executive director of the Open Rights Group (ORG), who this week appeared before MPs.

    In an exchange with Nigel Adams MP in the Commons, Killock said that ORG is concerned that ordinary members of the public could be affected by the amendments.

    "We are worried about the impact of this on people who should not be criminalized and who we thought the Government were not trying to criminalize in this case," Killock said.

    "Our position is that if the Government are going to extend the sentence and have the same sentence online as offline for criminal copyright infringement - that is to say, 10 years - then they need to be very careful about how the lines are drawn, because the offenses are quite different."

    Killock said that offline criminal copyright infringement is all about criminal gangs duplicating things like DVDs, but online things are harder to define because everything looks like the same act – publication.

    "You put something on the internet, it is a publication. So how do you tell who is the criminal and who is the slightly idiotic teenager, or whatever it happens to be? How do you make sure that people who should not be threatened with copyright criminal sentences are not given those threats?" Killock asked the MP.

    To illustrate his point, Killock spoke about the current state of copyright trolling in the UK by companies such as Golden Eye International.

    "They have no specific knowledge that these people are actually the people doing the downloading, all they know is that somebody appears to have downloaded," Killock said.

    At this point Adams interrupted, stating that there's no intent for the new legislation to affect regular file-sharers.

    "The idea of the Bill is not to go after people who are downloading content, it is purely for those who are uploading content for commercial gain. That is the whole purpose," Adams said.

    "Unfortunately, that is not how the language of the offense reads," Killock responded.

    "The test in the offense is that somebody is 'causing a loss', which is defined as not paying a licence fee, or is 'causing the risk of loss', about which your guess is as good as mine, but it is essentially the same as making available, because if you have made something available and somebody else can then make a copy, and then infringe copyright further and avoid further licence fees, basically that is a criminal act," the ORG chief explained.

    "So file sharers, whether they are small or large, all appear to be criminal copyright thieves. Similarly, people who are publishing things on websites without a license are also potentially criminalized. Those things can be dealt with much better and more simply through civil courts and civil copyright action."
     
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    Ok, I'll just steal software, films & games out of Tesco. I'll only get a slap on the wrist for theft then!
     
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    or, you can just sell drugs and use the money to buy things. since all of the cops are going after the downloaders you should be safe!

    :D
     
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    More scaremongering!
     
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    10 years means it is bad, however these cops are too scams and they can do anything as they wishes.
     
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    sounds like torrenxit
     
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    of course that's all it is! they know they can't stop it so maybe they can frighten gullible public members into submission. anyone who worries about these "threats" needs a reality check. this law is laughable at best!
     
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    UK is in shit state, not enough police to do the job as it is, let alone go after Billy who shares a couple of files.

    If you get caught you end up with 3 hot meals a day, warm dry accommodation and sky tv all for free.
    Downside of being banged up, you can't vote.....
     
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    UK law is pretty crap - the most trivial things you get the longest time for and the most serious things you get the least time for.

    The reason I guess is that its all driven ultimately by money.
     
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    Yet smack heads can break in grannies houses kick the fuck out of them and get two years or less. Ah the bent backward laws of the UK.
     
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    A mate of mine is in the Daily Fail, he's going to be investigated for stuff he revealed in a book when he was in Iraq and he slotted 3 bad guys who were fatally wounded. Talk about crap, serve in the army hope you don't get shot by the enemy then get back to the UK and hope you don't get screwed over by ambulance chaser lawyers or the people that sent you there.
     
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    The UK is a great and awful place yet so many people from outside the UK have a big desire to live there. Personally I think there are many better places to spend a lifetime.
     
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    Maybe one day we will all make sure to not go see a single movie in a Calender year to make a point. Stay home watch Netflix and Hulu maybe show them what could happen if they keep this crap up. With all the money they'd lose for the year they'd beg to get things back the way they were. 2015 had 5 movies in the top 11 of all time: star wars ep VII, Jurassic World, Furious 7, Avengers: Age of Ultron, Minions. KickAss was in full swing then. I don't see how they're losing money. People watch the movie and then talk about it, most want the theatre experience on the big screen and see the movie in theatres anyways. Those who don't won't go see the movie anyways and pay a buck at red box. If they want to get more people to the movies they'd lower the popcorn and soft drink prices. Movie $9, medium popcorn, medium drink, candy = $15
     
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    my websites have 3800+ posts related to hacks cracks keygens . police/ govt cant touch me .


    bcoz 100vis/day hahahha
     
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    totaly agree.
     
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    Its people involved in large scale file sharing activities that will get up to 10 years, not someone that downloads movies.
     
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    some more uk news...

    this is from: "privacy online news"

    In the UK, running a blog over HTTPS is an act of terrorism, says Scotland Yard

    In a bizarre case, Scotland Yard is accusing a person for six separate acts of preparing terrorism. Those six acts include researching encryption, developing an “encrypted version” of his blog, and instructing others how to use encryption.

    This is one of those cases where you do a double take. As reported by Ars Technica, UK’s Scotland Yard is charging a Cardiff person with preparing for terrorism – but the list of charges show activities we associate with very ordinary precautionary privacy measures.

    “Developing an encrypted version of a blog” can be read as, and probably means, publishing it over HTTPS – such as this blog and many others, simply because it’s considered best practice.

    He was also charged with having a flash drive in a cufflink with a bootable operating system, presumably Tails. Using open and free operating systems with the capacity for general-purpose encryption is now an act of terrorism?

    Three things are noteworthy in this bizarre case, in terms of predictions coming true.

    The first is that four years ago, I predicted that the UK won’t just jail you for encryption, but for carrying astronomical noise, too. It’s already a crime to not give up keys to an encrypted document in the UK (effectively making encryption illegal), but it’s worse than that – it’s a five-years-in-prison offense to not give up the keys to something that appears encrypted to law enforcement, but may not actually be.

    In other words, carrying astronomical noise is a jailable offense, because it is indistinguishable from something encrypted, unless you can pull the documents the police claim are hidden in the radio noise from a magic hat. This case takes the UK significantly closer to such a reality, with charging a person for terrorism (!) merely for following privacy best practices.

    The second observation is that in the cat-and-mouse game between surveillance and encryption, there will come a point where authorities start mistaking a right to attempt breaking into somebody’s privacy with a right to succeed with breaking into somebody’s privacy.

    Such a right has never existed, of course: even if law enforcement gets a search warrant for a house, including a right to attempt breaking a safe, there is never a right to succeed breaking into a safe, or a right to magically find what they think is there.

    The third observation is the bizarre charge of “researching encryption” and “instructing others in how to use encryption”. According to Scotland Yard, learning and teaching mathematics is apparently terrorism.

    This would affect lots of efforts – for example, EFF’s HTTPS Everywhere and Linux Foundation’s Let’s Encrypt. Possibly even all the Linux repositories, as they contain lots of encryption and instruct others in setting it up.

    This is a case that needs to be closely watched and Scotland Yard, being beyond dumb and outright dangerous to society, needs more than a slap on the wrist here.
     
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    Why is that a downside? Tories and Labour are as bad as each other, neither one has a clue.

    No other party ever gets a look in!
     
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    Its not illegal to use tails or HTTPS in the UK.