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TV License? SHOCKED to Discover Some People PAY to Watch TV

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  1. B. Friendly

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    Okay, so it's always been my assumption that people from the UK and Australia are for the most part like Americans. But, the "International" nature of BHW has given me some insights into some very fundamental differences. It's a mixed bag, I suppose. I've learned (for example) post-cold war that russians are very much like many americans I've known. However, I've also learned that Brits (in particular) and Aussies are not exactly true to the stereotype I saw in TV shows when I was a kid.

    But today's discovery has entirely different order of magnitude. While surfing YouTube videos I accidentally found one that had to do with British activists videotaping (and then posting on YouTube), videos of some kind of "TV License enforcement" actually knocking on people's doors in order to have some kind of conversation with them regarding whether or not they (the residents) have a "TV License".

    It sounded quite odd to me; almost as if it were some kind of hoax, but a check of wikipedia indicates that it's true; there are actually countries in Europe that require people to pay some kind of licensing fee for owning/watching a TV set, supposedly to pay for something called "public broadcasting" which although the license is required by law, it goes to a non-government entity that is supposedly outside the influence of government. Meaning, the government charges a fee, and then gives it to an organization that can broadcast anything it likes, with no government control or accountability.

    I think. I can't say for certain, as I'm still learning about it all, and I probably have some or most of it all wrong. Doesn't matter, as the primary point is that I am SHOCKED by this. In all my years of being on the earth, I never would have suspected that such a thing could possibly exist, most particularly in a (supposedly) "western", "democratic" country that supposedly has such "close ties" with the US. This changes everything for me, completely. I've always sort of suspected that Brits were a little "odd" in how different they were from Americans, but it now appears I've been completely wrong in almost all of my beliefs, and that fundamentally we are as different as night and day. And, in retrospect, it seems that the fundamental reasons for the American Revolution were completely glossed-over during my public education. Post WW2, I believe it was necessary for the American Government to paint the British in as many "similar" terms as possible in order to justify the vast sacrifice and loss of American lives and treasure, and also to maintain the western coalition against the Soviet bloc.

    But now the "evil empire" of the Soviet Union I was propagandized into believing in has dissolved, we are (more or less) "friendly" with Russians and the US seems to be evolving away from freedom and toward Statism at the same time the Russians are moving in the exact opposite direction.

    Meaning, while the russians are looking more & more "freedom loving", this recent (and SHOCKING) discovery has underlined for me differences between Brits and Americans that I had NO IDEA existed.

    A license to watch TV? Police knocking at your door to talk about it? Do people actually pay? Does anyone ever tell the TV license person to go fuck themselves? Does anyone ever get arrested? Can you go to jail for illegal TV watching? Is it like a speeding ticket here in the US, where you are presumed guilty and will lose your license if you don't pay the fine (no due process, no trial, no jury, etc...)?

    Have any other Americans ever heard of this? Am I the last to know?

    I can't imagine such a thing being possible here in the US, but the changes in American culture have been so dramatic and rapid that something that 2 years ago I might have thought to be impossible now seems inevitable. Bureaucracy-loving Americans with a fear of freedom and an insatiable hunger for government control, regulation and taxation will demand that this void in government power be filled. We will have to have a government-mandated TV watching tax in order to keep up with our more civilized cousins, the disarmed and well-regulated British.

    Anyways, if you are an American, and don't believe me, here's the link:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licence

    And just one of many videos about British anti-TV tax activists, and how they videotape the TV tax police:

    [video=youtube_share;32Sa1DgmCww]http://youtu.be/32Sa1DgmCww[/video]
     
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  2. Chris22

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    I never paid my TV license, and when they came knocking to ask I basically told them to get fucked. I refuse to support an organization that protects pedophiles.

    I never signed a contract with the BBC once in my life, I don't watch BBC channels, so when they come knocking asking for money they are asking for hell.
     
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  3. bilbo

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    Op I think you are the last to know as you said.

    boring "freeman" stuff - pay your taxes and your licence fee
     
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    Yup, it's true. There's actually equipment they use whilst roaming the streets which can apparently identify who has a license and who doesn't. Because it is the norm in the UK I've never actually questioned it but perhaps I should now and dig a little deeper to see what actually happens if we don't pay.... I barely have time for tv these days (massive waste of time and productivity for the most part) but still interesting nevertheless. Cheers!
     
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    yea, thats crazy! Still, can you not chose to watch payed channels and only free ones instead and not pay them when they come? :)
     
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    Man from your title I thought you jtagged a dtv card or something. lol
    Our feds got involved with satellite decrypting from Hollywood pressure. Could write a book.
    Yes US has to pay or steal, go to jail and huge fines...
     
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  7. mattbowden

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    Its a myth that they actually do scan for people who dont pay. In terms of non payment they take you to court so its enforceable with a ccj (country court judgement) which will in the end effect your ability to gain credit (mortgage, loan, credit cards).
    Years ago just over a decade ago they would publish adverts with addresses of people who didnt pay on billboards in local areas name and shame. The bbc is a shambles as a national channel and needs reform. You might be shocked but we have free healthcare over here.
     
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    There are far more SHOCKING things in the world than paying for a paltry TV license. There are wars, famine, poverty, human slavery, genocide, there's violence, evil, depravity, cruelty, theft, murder, rape, robbery, fraud... and on and on. Paying for a TV license? Irritating, yes. SHOCKING? No.
     
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  9. B. Friendly

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    First, thanks all for the comments. Particularly this one:

    Actually, shocking YES. Some of the skepticism against the "anti TV tax" people I understand. I feel the same way about the American activists that videotape the Police. They are clumsy. They appear conversationally inept. On an emotional level they appear to try to make big things out of little things. They try for fast & cutting verbal sparring and end up appearing clueless, petty and stupid instead. In fact, if all I knew of activism was what I watched on YouTube, I'd be as fat, stupid and self-righteously judgmental as all the other non-activists. Except for one thing, and that is I used to be one.

    It's easy to imagine "how things are" when you are sitting on your ass. It's also easy to feel a healthy sense of balance with your "social environment" when you are in compliance with it. But, try to go against the grain just once, and you'll see how quickly the facade of your dignity disappears. Ever try to argue against a traffic ticket in court? I have. And lost. And the whole time I made my arguments to the judge, questioned the Police Officer, refuted the Prosecution's objections to my questions etc... I had my hands in my front pockets, and the pressure of my hands caused my zipper to work it's way down.

    I discovered this only after the Judge convicted me of doing 65 in a 55 mph zone, and sentenced me to pay a $230.00 fine. Embarrassed, I asked the judge if arguing my case with my fly hanging open had any effect on his ruling, and his response was classic:

    He says, "Well Mr. "X", it's just like your legal arguments. It all comes down to relevance."

    Since then, that Judge has gone from a part-time & contracted traffic court judge, to an elected State judge and I'm proud to have been convicted in his court.

    So, the point is, in your delusional imagination "Activist You" is a dashingly handsome Hollywood actor, making beautiful, eloquent and moving legal arguments that, combined with your immaculate grooming and strong jawline will sway the most stubborn of juries to acquit the most guilty of defendants. But in reality, you haven't got the guts to even try to defend yourself against a ticket, and if you did you'd lose, making irrelevant legal arguments with your junk on display for all to look at, and silently giggle over.

    Just like I did. Only you didn't, and I did. And here's why.

    Because first I care about the fundamental and philosophical differences between Americans and "everyone else". I know what self-evident, constitutionally protected and God-given rights are, and how they compare to government-created rights that come and go based on public sentiment and the results of the last election. Second because I know what they are. And finally, because unlike 98% of the tax-paying, obedient, compliant and enslaved public, I actually attempt to implement in real life those high-minded platitudes we are constantly being bombarded with by the centrally-controlled mass-media.

    It's only a "paltry TV license" because you've never been given the opportunity to see things any other way. You were born into the Matrix, and complying with every social demand placed upon you is the price you are willing to pay in order to maintain the illusion of having any choice in the matter. 200 years ago, Americans were afforded a unique opportunity to found a new civilization based on something other than blind obedience to power, and it is my greatest fear that we are now in the process of squandering humanities' last and only hope for individual freedom and individual rights. Only in America are a person's rights given to them by God himself, and therefore cannot be taken away by any government.

    In contrast, it appears to me that British citizens have no rights, at least as far as some sleazebag "TV Inspector" asking to be allowed inside someone's home in order to inspect it for the existence of TV sets. They couldn't find people to do that job here in the US, as a significant number of those inspectors would be met at the door by a loaded firearm, and occasionally an inspector would wind up dead.

    And so it is no accident that the current trend is to attempt to disarm the American people. 9/11 and all of the resultant erosions of individual rights has emboldened the Statists and their government stooges, and the only thing that prevents pissant government parasites from late-night banging on household doors demanding entry and threatening arrest is the fact that we have almost as many firearms as we do citizens. This time they really mean to do it. They are coming for the weapons, because that is all that stands between them and full control. When government policy trumps God-given rights, government has become the New God, and the citizens are reduced to worshipers. Just like some of you.

    And the recent surge in firearms sales, particularly "assault weapons" and high-capacity magazines is also no accident. We see it coming, and are preparing for Civil War.

    Will you help us, you British, our cousins, as we defend ourselves from the very same government that you surrendered to hundreds of years ago? While we suffer from "war(s), famine, poverty, human slavery,...violence, evil, depravity, cruelty, theft, murder, rape, robbery..." etc... can we count on your support? Will you send us arms & ammunition? Well you enact trade embargos and Human Rights commissions and secretly undermine the US Government's ability to oppress it's people?

    Or will you sit on the couch and watch it all on TV, "irritated" by the fact that news coverage of latest massacre has preempted your favorite football team? At least you paid the TV license fee, right? So no need to worry about some pissant wanting to come inside your home, due to the "implied consent" you've given them.

    [video=youtube_share;arcJksDgCOU]http://youtu.be/arcJksDgCOU[/video]
     
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  10. Fashionable

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    NHS > Free TV
     
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    First I have to say that your writting is exceptional.
    Second I have to agree with blackfatcat, it's neither shocking nor stupid actually(at least the way it will be presented in my country)
    My country will be enforcing the same law in a year I think and here is a simpler view of things with random numbers to make it clear.
    If now let's say I pay $20 for 200 channels each month($240 for a year), after that law comes I'll probably have to pay like $50 for the whole year and have all those channels.
    In your opinion which is better?

    On a side note I myself only watch 40 minutes news daily, so I couldn't care less if I have any channels or not :p

    Btw about this:
    I can't really say that you should be proud with everyone having firearms.
     
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  12. jazzc

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    In my soviet-like country, they send the bill for the government tv embedded the electricity bill. It 's not even relevant if you own a tv or not. :D So, if one doesn't pay for the totally ineffective and wasteful gov channels, the electricity gets cut off. I 'd say the UK collection policy is amateur :eek:
     
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    I would not pay my council tax either then if I were you as the police and courts supported him a lot more than the BBC. The BBC are scapegoats for the police and courts.
     
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    I pay my license, if you have a working plugged in TV in your house it means you need to pay out the license yearly - quite simple
     
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    is the Op going to ramble on about "common law" and "acts" now :)
    pay your taxes including your licence fee. Thousands of other more worrying stuff in the world. Take both pills at the same time and save us a lot of bother
     
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    Included in the taxes for each and every citizen who earns enough in Finland as well from the beginning of this year... Boom. Can't avoid.
     
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    Quite simple it is theft, just because I have a tv, does not mean I watch the shite on BBC, the BBC should be subscription based, then see how much money they get, my guess is fk all. They criminalise people for them being thieves.
     
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    We've had to pay for our tv licence in the UK for ages, Sucks but again its another "scam" provided by networks LOL!
     
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    Be sure as hell to get a knock from the bailiff, council tax bill is the last thing you don't wanna pay, tv license is the most bogus fee on planet, buy a new tv from currys today, few month you'd be getting a letter with your name and address printed on letter from TV license, bbc show is crap anyway.
     
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    In America don't they have 6 ad breaks every hour instead of 4? SHOCKING!!!!!!11111111

    *Cue uneducated rant with a lot of blowing smoke up my own arse and a hint of conspiracy theory.*

    You have to have a TV license if your TV is connected to an aerial or if you are watching live TV. So you can watch things like BBC iPlayer, 4od, etc any kind of catchup TV, DVDs, anything else without a license.

    BBC does produce some amazing programming though, and watching an hour long series or documentary without ad breaks is an amazing experience.
     
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