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Trying to Game Google Right in it's face

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Blackbike, Dec 16, 2010.

  1. Blackbike

    Blackbike Newbie

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    I see some Black Hat SEO tricks that seem to work in theory, but i have to wonder how they work for real.

    Increase you Alexa rank and back links to increase Googles' view of your site, and place you higher in the SERPs.

    But i never remember signing a NDS with Google for analytics, or Adsense. Google can see if your traffic ranks are fake or if no one ever visits you page from those back links just by looking at you Analytics Data, or you Adsense data "google tracks user paths using Adsense on Adsense supported sites.


    To be honest i have a question. How much does Google inside scoop to your real traffic, traffic pattern, refers, keyword, bounce rate, etc play on your rank and the ranking of sites in your category.

    Does use Google use that data to penalize you "i.e. people come to your page by a keyword, the leave right away then go to another site, and spend more time on it and click on links?"

    could we be defeating ourselves by giving Google inside access to our traffic and user patterns?

    I know for a fact Google use your conversion data against you to price your keywords, but are our Adsense data, and Analytic Data being used against"or for" us?

    Thanks,
     
  2. Blackbike

    Blackbike Newbie

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    i see a lot of garbage on this forum. blind leading the blind, and the people who know what they are doing are taking advantage of the noob "send them to paid programs, wasting their time with fake program that cache cookies, etc LOL".

    enjoyed my time here "well i really didn't, but there is no info here "unless you're a noob ready to part with you cash for smoke and mirrors.

    Peaces out.
     
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  3. roberteb

    roberteb Regular Member

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    Blackbike I agree and disagree with you :) Sure there is a lot of "Take me by the hand and help me make bucket load of cash" threads (to many) but I've taken the time to sift through a lot of posts and have found some real nuggets of information burried deeply in some unlikely threads.

    You just need to dig them out. Snag is it takes a lot of time but for me it's been worth it. I've had better value (helped me make more money) than any other forum I've visited before paid or unpaid.
     
  4. bobbylove321

    bobbylove321 BANNED BANNED

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    I can tell you right now that Google Analytics does effect rankings.

    I have multiple sites in the same niche for the same keywords, and the ones with a longer visitor time length rank higher than the ones where the visitor leaves after several seconds.

    But there are many factors.
     
  5. Monrox

    Monrox Power Member

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    So what is your point? What you write is common sense. Some people like to excange thoughts and they use a forum for this. If you want technical information read some books. No need to iterate all this through forum posts.

    For example Google wants to present good sites to its users. It's only natural to boot crappy stuff. They use everything they can to determine quality. Using analytics can bury you because you're making their job easier. Same thing when not using analytics - they don't know what you're up to so why bother.

    Then comes the toolbar. Even if you're not using analytics, many visitors have the google toolbar which is effectively the same thing.

    Then the browser cookie, if you don't reset this regularly they even know on which forums you like to whine :)

    You also have adsense and adwords (which you already mentioned). It's getting very hard to stay anonymous in the eyes of a few private companies but it's common knowledge. It's not some big secret. If you don't realise that you may as well buy some 'book' and it won't be a big waste since you're already being manipulated on so many levels from product comparisons to wealth management.
     
  6. Autumn

    Autumn Elite Member

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    If you're doing BH you should run a mile from anything offered by Google including analytics, adsense and gmail. You should surf with flash turned off too. :) Common sense really.
     
  7. chichantre

    chichantre Junior Member

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    Allegedly, at least according to G and Matt C***, analytics data doesn't in any way affect serps.

    It's up to you if you want to believe it or not. Why would they lie? But then again...why would they publically give away a million dollar tracking tool?

    watch?v=LLmO1GE4GvI

    Ultimately, should you care if know what you're doing is working?
     
  8. Yukinari84

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    I have tested it GA on BH sites and it does have a negative effect. If you are doing anything that Google doesn't like, why even take the risk of giving them a chance to see what you are up to?

    It's cheap enough to get much better analytics tools than GA, so there's really no point in using GA IMHO.
     
  9. Monrox

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    Yep. When you see a newbie friendly tool from a shark company, RUN AWAY. Hosting companies provide you with server logs for free which can be fed into an analyzing program that gives you all the info GA does and a lot more.

    Like for example visitor IP, all the keywords that were used in search, all the traffic that came from a particular search engine, how long each particluar visitor spent on your site, which pages he viewed, from where he entered and exited, what browser he was using, all tied to an IP. You can check what cities are they from, the time of day they were active... And I am using the word "all" on purpose. The logs from the host are 100% accurate, not like GA.

    You can even have your own cookie / jscript embedded in your pages and log screen resolution, installed software etc on the user's machine.

    Urchin was an independent software that could do all that analysis. G bought it, toned it down and is now offering it 'for free'. Keeping the most valuable data to itself of course. Ingenious. But you only need to look around to find a good alternative and keep the gold to yourself.

    Btw that is why inflating traffic with conventional scripts usually does not work with G. A browser is needed to execute the GA cookie. An unadjusted script simply fetches the page and the cookie never phones home (simply put).