# Trying to find out how much guru Travis Sago makes...

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by DocBrown, Nov 28, 2011.

1. ### DocBrownRegular Member

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I'm not very good at figuring out the traffic a site gets (one i don't own ) but according to compete.com:

magicofmakingup.com got approx 50,000 uniques say in Sept 2011. This was the number of uniques in the U.S. only which when comparing to my own site would mean that the site got 125,000 uniques for the month of sept worldwide. This will be different for different niches but i found that U.S. traffic is usually approx 40% of total traffic world wide.

So 125,000 uniques/month = 4166 uniques/day

(I know some of those uniques will wander into some of the inner pages of magicofmakingup.com, but there aren't too many internal pages so i'm not really counting this into the equation.)

So if hes getting a 1% conversation rate, that would mean out of 4166 uniques/day he would be making:

42x37(price of his ebook) = \$1554/day

Leaving aside clickbank charges and refunds as being unimportant to the accuracy of these calculations, he would be getting:

\$1554x.25%(His commisson rate on each sale I.E. MOMU has a 75% affiliate commission rate) = \$388/day

So according to the stats, Travis Sago is only earning ?388 per day despite dominating one of the most lucrative niches on the internet!

Now heres an addition to the equation. I checked my own site on compete.com and the figures were only showing one third of the real traffic i was getting according to google analytics. So if i was to allow the same allowance as occuring on magicofmakingup.com it would multiply his uniques per day by 3, meaning his earnings would also multiply by 3:

\$388x3=\$1165/day

Now \$1165 per day is nothing to be sniffed at but for someone who has reached the heights that travis sago has done in dominating one of the most lucrative niches on the interent - it's hardly ground breaking money.

I know some of you will be far better at estimating a sites traffic (maybe you have paid tools that would do the job better) so it'd be cool if someone took the time to estimate how many uniques/day (worldwide) magicofmakingup.com is getting so that we can see how much one of the internet giants is really taking home in pay. Thanks in advance if you are willing to do this.

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He also has the site InstaCash Keywords, and promotes the Wealthy Affiliate and other Affiliate programs to his huge list.

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It's not that easy to calculate.

First, Compete's data is garbage. I have compared my own data, and data for companies I used to work for. While its close in a few situations, its been drastically off on a number of others.

Even now, I just verified again, it shows about 1/2 the visits to one of my websites. Not even close to my actual figure.

Second, you don't know how many affiliates are pushing his products, or what his back end sales are. Most Clickbank guys offer a huge affiliate commission on the front-end, and then have a bunch of upsells to the prospects over the course of the relationship.

That means a much larger % not attributed for. Frankly, if he's doing things right he's likely got a higher conversion rate as well.

If he's dominating the niche, and its as large as you think, he's killing it.

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It doesn't matter how many affiliates are pushing his product - it all translates to actual unique visitors to his site at the end of the day. The magic of making up doesn't have an upsell and his backend products are just affiliate links to other peoples products from what i understand. Yes i'm sure he makes some money from these but certainly not millions.

I can't see him making much more than \$500,000 max from the magic of making up every year. Yes i know that's huge, but considering hes light years ahead of us - does it not explain to you why we earn pennies at best and that's all we're ever likely to make. I mean we're not all going to be travis sagos. Even to have a 10th of his success would be impressive. But this would only amount to \$50,000 a year - hardly what you'd call comfortable or safe enough to quit your job and do IM full time. That \$50,000 income could be gone tomorrow.

If my calculations are correct - it just proves the point that the idea we're often given that we too can be making millions every year is just complete garbage becuase even the top boys themselves can't do that.

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i think you are making some sweeping generalizations, but the logic behind your reasoning follows decently well. very interesting argument indeed...

6. ### SuperLinksElite Member

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Sounds like you've made up your mind about making money online..

Nothing to see here, no money to be made. We are all a bunch of tire kickers making pennies.

Stick to your day job.....

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7. ### MrEExecutive VIP

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@SuperLinks, it looks like he had a pre-conceived conclusion and worked backwards to validate it by discrediting one guy with some flimy estimate math.

Who gives a shit how much he makes, put your head down and grind on your own projects.

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8. ### DocBrownRegular Member

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No thats not what i'm saying at all. I was actually hoping someone would come along and prove me wrong. I know i've made some guesses in my calculations but i think they're intelligent estimates.
It just seems like a small amount of money to be making off one of the most "popular" products on clickbank.

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WHY do you all think that the only way to make money online is to sell ideas about how to make money online?

I make a very good income on 350-500 uniques a day.

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The magic of making up has nothing to do with making money online - it's an ebook on how to get your ex back.

But if this kind of niche can't make millions - then how likely are we to make millions too?

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