translated vs generated AI content

aladin · Oct 6, 2022

Hi, i am searching to have huge content for my posting tool.
I work in non english field.
I canot decide between GSA content generator and Jasper.AI for T2 and T#

what do you consider with better results and no ban?
1) translated content ( in mass with API conection ) by the following recipe: scraped english articles > light mix between sentences and paraghaps and after that tranlated with API

2) generated AI content in english let say and translated after? let say Jasper > deepl API

Cheaper for me is the first variant.
I canot know the jasper results because i did not tested yet

Thank you

Steptoe · Oct 7, 2022

Whenever language translation is performed on text, it tends to come out as 'lighter' or simpler than the corpus that when in. This can be good in that it potentially improves readability and removes complex statements and words.

When working with translated content I've had better results when chaining a few language translations, eg English > French > German > French.

Your first approach is probably better for targeted content, but relies on you having a large enough collection of content for you to keep on translating.
Whereas using AI means you have potentially a much larger body of content to use, but unless you've fine tuned your model to your niche it won't be as targeted.

aladin · Oct 7, 2022

@

Steptoe thank you. Very academic explanation. And you touched some aspects i never thought it exists

Steptoe

Webzilla · Oct 13, 2022

From my experience AI > translated perform better than scrapped + spin (GSA CG).
As being said above you should check which tranlation flow works the best.
Ofcourse AI cost more than the one time fee on GSA CG.

aladin · Oct 13, 2022

Thank you , in last activity i started to translate the content found with GSA CG ...but i do not find an reasonable priced mass translator. Deepl is quite expensive /month 20 usd /milion character. And i translate about 5 milions /month .
and Yandex..i canot submit my card tata to them ..maybe ..Russia

Webzilla · Oct 13, 2022

if you use API, look in rapidapi:

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aladin · Oct 13, 2022

Interesting thank you ,
BUT , i do not understand 2 things:
1) that site provide API for the ( let say ) yandex or ..deepl
what is the API i should use ? i fount ( but i canoy copy ) in that page
: RapidAPI App
and
X-RapidAPI-Key
2)IF the API s are free it seems that there are with limitations.
The free deepl api account i have limits me to translate only 500.000 char / month ( i finish that ammount in ..3 days) ..

EDIT : i saw now the pricing plan of the DEEPL. It is not like the official prices i found on deepl. but cheaper.
so it seems like an reseller with smaller prices.
I will study them .
Thank you
again

Webzilla · Oct 14, 2022

RapidApi is gateway for 3rd party APIs.
Sometimes the provider itself offer the API via rapidapi, sometimes these are resellers.

Fiducia · Oct 14, 2022

aladin said:
Interesting thank you ,
BUT , i do not understand 2 things:
1) that site provide API for the ( let say ) yandex or ..deepl
what is the API i should use ? i fount ( but i canoy copy ) in that page
: RapidAPI App
and
X-RapidAPI-Key
2)IF the API s are free it seems that there are with limitations.
The free deepl api account i have limits me to translate only 500.000 char / month ( i finish that ammount in ..3 days) ..

EDIT : i saw now the pricing plan of the DEEPL. It is not like the official prices i found on deepl. but cheaper.
so it seems like an reseller with smaller prices.
I will study them .
Thank you
again

Go with deepl if you need good translations. Using their webinterface at €9/month is a cheaper option than the API for bulk volumes.

If quality is not your main concern, use NLLB 200 3.3B. There are various fixed price offers for it.

aladin · Oct 14, 2022

Fiducia

Yes i need good translation.
best are deepl >google> yandex. in this order the other are shity. Yandex is almost similar with deepl.
i use deepl but they cost alot. Not only 9usd /month
Please see the price options of their page. https://www.deepl.com/pro-api?cta=header-pro-api/
no personal or team plan have API !
Only free have API ( but with a 500.000 limit/ month and after that is stopping )
and developer wich cost 4 USD fixed price /month + 20 USD /each million character translated.
please correct me if i am wrong !
I translate about 5-10 milions character /month and ..is quite expensive for my setup.
Two days ago i made an subscription for personal pro plan with fixed 9 usd / month , and i had an surprise not finding the API in the account . You can translate on personal pro account only with their app..
because there is API plan only on developer one.
Now i am playing with rapidAPI . com but has and very hard learning curve interface ( for me) They have an quite cheap plan for deepl with some limitations.

Fiducia · Oct 14, 2022

aladin said:
Fiducia
Yes i need good translation.
best are deepl >google> yandex. in this order the other are shity. Yandex is almost similar with deepl.
i use deepl but they cost alot. Not only 9usd /month
Please see the price options of their page. https://www.deepl.com/pro-api?cta=header-pro-api/
no personal or team plan have API !
Only free have API ( but with a 500.000 limit/ month and after that is stopping )
and developer wich cost 4 USD fixed price /month + 20 USD /each million character translated.
please correct me if i am wrong !
I translate about 5-10 milions character /month and ..is quite expensive for my setup.
Two days ago i made an subscription for personal pro plan with fixed 9 usd / month , and i had an surprise not finding the API in the account . You can translate on personal pro account only with their app..
because there is API plan only on developer one.

The web interface in the $9/m Pro Plan has a "fair usage" limit only. 1 mio characters translates to 125.000 words in my language, approx 100 articles.

aladin · Oct 14, 2022

This is good for you , but not for me.
I also need API for automate everything
When i do scraping and i translate the resulting articles, in only 2 days (with call request via API) i "blow" the 500.000 character limit.
My translation cost for 1 month is about 200 euro . Is good quality but Quite expensive.

Fiducia · Oct 14, 2022

aladin said:
This is good for you , but not for me.
I also need API for automate everything
When i do scraping and i translate the resulting articles, in only 2 days (with call request via API) i "blow" the 500.000 character limit.
My translation cost for 1 month is about 200 euro . Is good quality but Quite expensive.

Ever thought of Selenium?

aladin · Oct 14, 2022

I use also selenium with C# but this is for automating various browser tasks not for translating

aladin · Oct 14, 2022

Webzilla

I made 2 subscriptions on rapidapi but no chance to use.
They provide theyr api as you said as a gate to deepl, and my application ( gsa article scraper do not "understand" the rapidapi API..
So i lost 8 usd and i need to close the subscription.
It is very hard for me to understand their api management and use.
I need an deepl api or yandex api ...But on resonable price.

Thank you

Fiducia · Oct 14, 2022

aladin said:
I use also selenium with C# but this is for automating various browser tasks not for translating

Why not using Selenium browser with the web interface of the translator then?

Steptoe · Oct 14, 2022

aladin said:
They provide theyr api as you said as a gate to deepl, and my application ( gsa article scraper do not "understand" the rapidapi API..
So i lost 8 usd and i need to close the subscription.

The GSA developer is pretty proactive, it might be worth dropping him a message asking him nicely to add the rapidapi endpoint

Cryptochick007 · Oct 14, 2022

Try OPENAI playground

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aladin · Oct 14, 2022

Steptoe i already contacted Sven and told me that he will try to do that .

I finally succeeded to make an organization account on yandex site for API ..but maaaan it is unbelievable..I cannot get the API from their site. Almost impossible to understand for me how to install and work on console machine an so on certificate ...to get an ..simple string from yandex. Those people are fantastic. they created the app for themself not customers.

Cryptochick007

maybe I will try OPENAI, i have account ..but i am quite tired at my age to learn again new platforms and languages.
by the way openai platform do also translations? I saw a lot of thing inside the panel .

I just need to pay an good and decent service to get the things working fine for me and let me to spend my time with my childrens and family..

ExGawl · Oct 14, 2022

Personally i don't like translated content, AI is Best for me, The use of AI content has been steadily increasing in recent years.Reason for the use of AI content is its ability to save time and effort.
AI content can be created in just seconds, which saves a lot of time and hassle for the person creating it.
It also helps ensure accuracy because there are fewer human errors when using AI content.

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Steptoe thank you. Very academic explanation. And you touched some aspects i never thought it exists

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Steptoe i already contacted Sven and told me that he will try to do that .

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