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Top 10 reasons why Private Blog Networks are getting shutdown fast and hard

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by the_demon, Mar 20, 2012.

  1. the_demon

    the_demon Jr. Executive VIP

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    Ok, so in this thread I'm going to shed some light on potential reasons that private blog networks are getting shutdown.

    1. Matching Link Patterns:
    This is when multiple domains have the exact same back links (root domain match). Therefore, even if you're on a subpage the network will still take a hit.

    2. Giving out reports:
    Although we all love reports this has got to be the easiest and fastest way for Google to mass de-index sites. All it takes is one pissed off competitor or Google employee to find out this list.

    3. Mass Link Blasting:
    If everyone is pushing 100K backlinks across a 1K domain network * 100 customers each site will most likely take a penalty for suspicious high volume link building.

    4. Keyword tracking:
    When everyone of your backlinks come from a High PR website it gets a little suspicious. Therefore, a manual review of your site would reveal a dozen different networks and they all would take a hit.

    5. C-Class IPS
    Too many of you think C-Class ips make you invincible. This is not true. All Google needs to do is see that they are all from the same web host and BAM! They caught your network. You truly should not have more than 5 sites per web hosting company. YES this means building a quality network is about to get really expensive, but it's the only way you will survive in the end.

    6. So, you think you're clever with no reports...
    Reports or not all Google has to do to shutdown a service like BMR or any other link network is use a fresh domain and track all the backlinks for that domain. GAME OVER!

    7. Too many topics
    Having an authority site is one thing, but when your blog covers 1,000 topics and has posts flying out every 30 minutes it's a little obvious something is going on.

    8. Spun content
    Spinning content 1-100 times is usually fine, but on some services they are using the same damn article for 1,000 blog posts. That's a large enough footprint to pickup on. DUH!?!?

    9. New sites
    It's a proven fact blog networks work. In fact they are THE NUMBER ONE working strategy to date that I've seen. The results are impressive....... or are they? The problem is when a new site ranks in one week (which I've done regularly using PBNs) it raises RED FLAGS and fast. So expect a manual review. READY TO CRY??? Google takes a look at your backlinks, figures out that you're using a PBN slaps you and the entire network. TRUST ME. I've seen sites keywords repeatedly get de-indexed completely for using PBNs.

    10. Limited link profile
    For sites that don't have a diverse link portfolio it's a piece of cake for Google to figure out where you're links are coming from, detect the network, and shut you and the network down.

    PS: For all you PBN owners. I hope this sheds some light on why your network tanked overnight. Stay tuned for my post "How to avoid getting your PBN from being shutdown" coming soon to a BHW thread near you. ;)
     
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  2. jon_xx_x

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    1. No.
    ALN had 23000+ links so it is hard to determine similar linking patterns.
    2. No.
    For fucks sake this is so stupid people keep talking about reports. If anyone wants a list of blogs in a network, you add an article identifier to your article. I don't think Google or others are that fucking dumb that they can't figure this out, and some how URL reports are the secret lists.
    3. Possibly.
    But with so many sites, and people doing the exact same to their own individual sites, I doubt it.
    4. Probably not.
    There are simply too many websites to say a manual review would be triggered. And these aren't high PR links, so it's pointless. High PR sites yes, but considering the link isn't on the front page, it's pointless. Maybe if you get hundreds of homepage links, okay, but a bunch of PR0 links, no.
    5. No.
    If you have 20,000 sites ona blog network, you're going to have sites on the same host, and even same IP. If you have 20,000 sites not on a blog network, you're going to have some on the same host and even same IP.
    6. Yes.
    One of couple good points you made.
    7. Probably.
    I actually think this might be one of the biggest flags, combined with others. Not multiple topics but simply too many posts be adding to each site per day.
    8. Possibly.
    I think yes, there's some really poor spun shit that probably leaves footprints. But there is poor spun shit everywhere. Regular websites, article directories, etc.
    9. Possibly.
    But again, you mention manual reviews like they are common. Manual reviews are that common, and every site that's new and gets links isn't going to get manually reviewed, or there would probably be 100,000 sites per da being manually reviewed.


    Truth is, there are networks that were almost untouched, yet ALN loses 25%. That's not coincidence. THere are sites that have autoblogs of spun horseshit that were untouched, yet ALN and others get hit.

    My belief is that they probably add their own links to the networks and add an article identifier. Why else would one network get hit hard, and not another one. Why else would BMR get hit when it's unique content. Specific networks are getting hit each time, so you can throw most of that stuff out the window, or networks everywhere would be hit.

    I would also bet they have an algo that tracks velocity of posts + OBL + who knows what.
     
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  3. pirondi

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    I think that doesn't matter anymore what you try to do to hide it,if the network gets public or reported from now on you will be at risky of deindexed.

    Before google didn't care about,but now it cares,and it become a risky business.

    The future of blog networks it will be private networks that will survive until some competitor reports it.
     
  4. theindiaphile

    theindiaphile Senior Member

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    Very nice the_demon. People need to catch wind of what you're saying. Really pisses me off to see so many people going for a short term buck and refusing to maintain their networks for the long term. Means all those who invest with them will get burnt...
     
  5. Roland32

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    Instead of "reasons" perhaps "hypothesized factors" would work better?
     
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  6. blackmamba456

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    BMR announced they were shutting down today because the majority of their network has been deindexed.
     
  7. Greeneye

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    I think it is/was the footprint.

    It takes me 2 seconds to realize i'm on a BMR network blog when I'm looking through competitor links. And that is just by viewing it.

    Same thing with other networks that I've used. They (all blog networks) advertise this big schpeal about not having a foot print. How hard do you think it was for Google to find the qualities of a BMR network. Heck lets list some of them:
    - Sites that have no less than 150 word articles. Ever
    - Sites that have a higher percentage of youtube videos than normal
    - Sites that have 1 link per 150 words and no less ever.
    - Sites that used to have 3 word titles in articles but no longer have less than 5.
    - Sites that are always searched for by their content and never their EMD
    - Sites that http://anonym.to/ is used to find the majority of their content on the internet. Or a blanker ref. Not quite sure how they work.
    - Sites that have a disproportional amount of exact search traffic but little ranked traffic.
    - Sites with post with no comments and no user registration.

    I'm sure the list goes on and on. You start plugging in all of those variables and you then you deindex all of the sites that apply to ALL of those and I doubt you will get many, if any legitimate websites.

    And that's just the foot print.

    They could have also done some link analysis. Find all the links on an identified blog. Track them back to the target site, then find all the recent links to those sites. Then crawl those links and see if they are similar to the BMR pattern above mark them as BMR network to deindex.

    If they do launch a new network, they may do the following:
    1. Cost more
    2. Only let you provide the keywords and have their own writers write the articles.
    3. Never provide you with the article or the link. Just count on ratings to improve.
    4. Start using some typical site themes mixed in with their custom ones.
    5. Not be so heavy on the youtube videos.

    And I'm sure that list will go on and on. Is BMR or Blog networks dead? No, not by any means. People just have to get more creative in the ways they hide their network.
     
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  8. Roland32

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    The footprint is there. I don't see how you can do this without a manual review. I.E. there is no way that net is not going to catch some dolphins
     
  9. araqueli

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    some networks have really crappy content, g00gle is getting smarter with its grammar filters. I think many blogs just get desindexed because of poor grammar.
     
  10. assphuck

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    Reports don't matter. Google can simply pay for a submit themselves and track the backlink profile of the domain they submitted. After all, they do crawl billions of pages and can figure out what backlinks their dummy site gets. It's a hell of a lot cheaper then spending hundreds of man hours trying to algorithmically slap networks, plus it gives them data that can be used to develop an algorithmic solution at a future date in a fraction of the time.
     
  11. Greeneye

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    Possibly. But if you can get the list down to even 20,000 sites how hard do you think it is to manually review that list?

    Put 5 people on it and get it done in a week.

    I personally don't think they had any kind of manual review. But I'm sure they have ways to identify a footprint that we don't know about. Any dolphins caught in that net were probably not really dolphins at all. IE probably a blog network from someone else.
     
  12. jon_xx_x

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    There are probably 1,000,000+ sites that fall under any of those 'footprints'. Those really aren't footprints. Might as well throw in any site that has wordpress on it too.
     
  13. Greeneye

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    I doubt you can find one other "legitimate" site that looks like a BMR site and has the same linking behavior.
     
  14. SirKonstantine

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    This one of the reasons why I'm shifting to smaller PBN.

    Small as in exclusive.
     
  15. omida86

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    say goodbye to blog networks. Seems Google is really out to get them...
     
  16. InternetMayhem

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    There are tons of people making these mistakes all over the place.
     
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  17. saber210

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    No, I think as long as your content is readable and has a point it doesnt matter on google, remember not all the bloggers are native english speakers.