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Top 10 KW in Australia, competitors with unlimited budget, what would you do?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by jend8, Aug 4, 2013.

  1. jend8

    jend8 Newbie

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    Hi,
    The title says it all basically.
    Im thinking of trying some Sape or similar. I have some good legitimate press (perhaps good for buffer sites), my site is a legitimate new offering in this space with a business model that cannot be competed with by my competitors, but after 6 months and doing everything right, my site is nowhere in the big G.

    Have some money for this, could spend 2-3k a month to get some results (hell I would be happy with a page 2). From there I could grow that budget.

    Catch is, if its every found out that I am doing crazy blackhat work, it could go very bad against me.
    I need something that will pass some scrutiny. Thoughts?
    WWYD?
     
  2. bartosimpsonio

    bartosimpsonio Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Post to Want to Buy section maybe? There folks can give you offers, while I don't think they're allowed to propose in this section. HTH.
     
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    Sape would probably do it but your site might get penalized before long.
     
  4. jend8

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    Thanks. I just made a post there on your recommendation. I was hoping I guess to get a discussion on strategy or ideas as well.
     
  5. jend8

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    Thanks I am worried about that happening. I have seen Sape in Action when reading some of my favourite blogs, say on a health related niche, and they have paydayloans links in the middle of them. Hacking other sites for backlinks is a no no on this site.
     
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    We call that ONE, the "money site". Research this term: tiered link building, IMO that's where you should be headed.
     
  7. dinkish

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    Agreed with Bart. Although it may not rank as quickly, buffering the site with tiers would be the way to go.

    With that budget, I'm sure you could find a very reputable service that would prioritize you, especially if you're in it for the long haul which it sounds like you are.
     
  8. jend8

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    Maybe I wasnt clear. When a friend of mine has a site that all of a sudden has payday loans links appearing in his articles direct to someones pay day affiliate site, and he never authorised it nor would ever advertise such a thing, thats not for me and is not the money site. Tiered linking im ok with as long as that is not done either (Even to tiers.)
     
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    Thanks, yes I am absolutely in it for the long haul, I spend thousands on on page seo, new content etc every month etc.
     
  10. dinkish

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    He didn't say use SAPE or hacked backlinks. (This is a very common issue for people using content management systems that aren't secured, or use rogue plugins btw, likely either or your friend had experienced).

    He was specifically stating using multiple buffered tier 1 sites that directly link back to your site with relevant content. When done intelligently, there's little footprint left, and if you are hiring someone to do this intelligently, it's far less likely to get back on you.

    The bonus of having a tiered system is that if "audited" you don't see thousands of spammy looking backlinks. Dependent on time, with your budget, a legitimate private network could be established where you aren't dependent on free web 2.0's and their TOS's like many of us are.
     
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    I could be wrong here but I don't think Sape links are the same as hacked links like you are describing. Anyone care to shed some light on this?
     
  12. jend8

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    OK Sorry I misunderstood.
    I have had a quick chat to someone here some months ago about Sape networks (he was a sape service provider) and he said that sometimes those are the links you get. As in they hack insecure CMS's and insert this into them without the site owner knowing.

    I certainly do have the ability to have (or pay someone) create my own private network, and that can be my tier1, I need to be careful though, I am up against guys who have all the time and money in the world to deconstruct the backlinks to my site including to tier 1's.
     
  13. dinkish

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    Although I've never signed up for the SAPE network to verify myself, I don't believe I'm being delusional in believing that atleast xss attacks are involved in procuring backlinks.

    Either way, russian backlinking networks such as SAPE don't sound like the kind of trail the OP is looking for, with a reputable company, especially with his\her ass on the line.
     
  14. dinkish

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    You'll want already established domain authority in that case for tier 1's. It'll be harder for "individuals" to perform negative SEO, however online reputation management should be a major concern as well and from what I've read for those services, that aspect of a marketing budget alone can be major.

    I'm hoping you can take tidbits from us, and recruit someone with a more specific method of attack so there's no communication error when purchasing services.
     
  15. MSalty

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    If this is what you ae scared of, why not block the spiders for the backlink searchers? There was a script just a little while ago somewhere here which did exactly this. This way your backlinks would effectively be invisible to your competitors (but also to you).
     
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    Man thats clever, will try find that thread, thanks all so far, this is exactly the discussion I was hoping for.
     
  17. dinkish

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    You can do that using an .htaccess file to block referrers from popular services like ahrefs and majestic and such. I'm sure it's not full proof but that would definitely put up a road block.
     
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